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Did 1 trip in the time frame which included a 1.5hr stop in Kuwait on the way out and a 1.5hr in Kuwait the following day which I am led to believe is going to get me the "whole 9 yards" medal wise and boy am I embarrassed
Don't want the bloody thing but my boss has put the paperwork in already
Will do my utmost to avoid wearing it as my entitlement to it is a joke
all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
Don't want the bloody thing but my boss has put the paperwork in already
Will do my utmost to avoid wearing it as my entitlement to it is a joke all spelling mistakes are "df" alcohol induced
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Always Broken - I will raise a glass in your honour next time I'm in the bar. It's nice to see the we still have some people left in the forces that aren't purely in it for themselves.
As for the medics in Cyprus, worry ye not. I may be barking up the wrong tree here, and please feel free to beat me into submition if I am; but didn't the aero meds work on the rotation ie UK-Cyprus stage for a bit Cyprus-IZ, IZ-UK again. Surely that would count as qualifying for the gong?
As someone that spent over 4 months in that wonderful country in the middle of a disagreeable argument between George and the Middle East, I would bloody well hope that the aeromeds get their recognition as I had to put up with no end of senior officers out there doint their 30 day studies into the provision of bog roll and plastic cutlery in order to get their gong. Incidentally one guy I worked with in HQ IZ went home after 28 days, convinced that was all it would take to get a medal. Oh how I laughed all the way to PSF as I submitted my application.
Incidentally - I assume the campaign medal is still being issued. Has anybody else heard rumours along the lines of eventually (soon-ish?) stopping the Iraq medal and instituting an OSM IZ or re-instituting the Air Ops Iraq gong?? Answers on a postcard to....
As for the medics in Cyprus, worry ye not. I may be barking up the wrong tree here, and please feel free to beat me into submition if I am; but didn't the aero meds work on the rotation ie UK-Cyprus stage for a bit Cyprus-IZ, IZ-UK again. Surely that would count as qualifying for the gong?
As someone that spent over 4 months in that wonderful country in the middle of a disagreeable argument between George and the Middle East, I would bloody well hope that the aeromeds get their recognition as I had to put up with no end of senior officers out there doint their 30 day studies into the provision of bog roll and plastic cutlery in order to get their gong. Incidentally one guy I worked with in HQ IZ went home after 28 days, convinced that was all it would take to get a medal. Oh how I laughed all the way to PSF as I submitted my application.
Incidentally - I assume the campaign medal is still being issued. Has anybody else heard rumours along the lines of eventually (soon-ish?) stopping the Iraq medal and instituting an OSM IZ or re-instituting the Air Ops Iraq gong?? Answers on a postcard to....
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I really don't understand why some people are so vehement against being awarded campaign medals. Throughout your career you get ed around from pillar to post, dragged away from your families and in many cases placed in jeapordy of your life (OK, I exaggerate for effect in most cases).
It is a nice touch to have the support of your families and your own efforts recognised with a strip of material holding a bit of metal.
I met a WO during my time in the Forces with a single GSM with half a dozen bars - everything ranging from the Far East to Middle East to Yugo. It looked like a cheapskate money-saving effort to me that this man did so much for his Country only to be rewarded with a single bit of ironware.
I accept that there will invariably be anomolies, but hey - that's life. You don't have to accept them or wear them if you feel so strongly about it. Just be thankful that we have a balanced view to the award of decorations - in contrast to the way the United States issue medals (and no, I'm not having a go at the US - just comparing attitudes to the respective Armed Forces).
I, for one, am proud to wear the few medals that I have been awarded, and equally proud to see my sons in their uniforms wearing theirs.
ed around from pillar to post, dragged away from your families and in many cases placed in jeapordy of your life (OK, I exaggerate for effect in most cases).It is a nice touch to have the support of your families and your own efforts recognised with a strip of material holding a bit of metal.
I met a WO during my time in the Forces with a single GSM with half a dozen bars - everything ranging from the Far East to Middle East to Yugo. It looked like a cheapskate money-saving effort to me that this man did so much for his Country only to be rewarded with a single bit of ironware.
I accept that there will invariably be anomolies, but hey - that's life. You don't have to accept them or wear them if you feel so strongly about it. Just be thankful that we have a balanced view to the award of decorations - in contrast to the way the United States issue medals (and no, I'm not having a go at the US - just comparing attitudes to the respective Armed Forces).
I, for one, am proud to wear the few medals that I have been awarded, and equally proud to see my sons in their uniforms wearing theirs.
At least you won't be presented with medals which an ungrateful HMG won't allow you to wear this time...
"Dear Bloggs. Herewith Iraqi/Kuwaiti medal for Op Granby. You may not wear it" was the patronising piece of paper from Binnsworth which accompanied the medals.....
"Dear Bloggs. Herewith Iraqi/Kuwaiti medal for Op Granby. You may not wear it" was the patronising piece of paper from Binnsworth which accompanied the medals.....
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Oh - and any sign of the WMDs yet?
Torygraph - US troops injured in sarin attack on convoy.
Amazing. Hundreds of experts can't find anything in months of searching, but whoever planned this ambush is supposed to have just stumbled across one in mistake for a HE round. Perhaps, or perhaps not.
One just wonders where they got it - and how many other non-existent rounds they've got their hands on.
Torygraph - US troops injured in sarin attack on convoy.
Amazing. Hundreds of experts can't find anything in months of searching, but whoever planned this ambush is supposed to have just stumbled across one in mistake for a HE round. Perhaps, or perhaps not.
One just wonders where they got it - and how many other non-existent rounds they've got their hands on.
BEagle: spot on post! Dressing up this war as justified "cos Tony and Dubya say it was right" is still a scandal. Those who served have every right to sound off/exercise their democratic right of free speech. Those still 'in' have to ask the question: 'I was only obeying lawful orders....'
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Now that "GSM - Air Ops Iraq" is no longer in vogue, some individuals will miss that one, which may be a pity for those few who did action prior to TELIC, AND got shot at, performed the appropriate maneouvre, evaded, and delivered ordnance.......
"You didn't do the requisite 6 sorties sir......."
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"You didn't do the requisite 6 sorties sir......."
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I am flabergasted that people actually want to have a medal for taking part in a war that, to many of us, was illegal, immoral and in the long term, plain dumb. Come on, people. Open your eyes and think about the amount of unnecessary killing that we carried out.
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Deliverance: hear!hear!
Radar F@ckwit:
As Deliverance rightly points out, your gripe is with the politicians, so don't waste bandwidth on here; your time would be more effectively utilised writing to your MP or even the PM himself (good luck..)
If you're still a little stressed about it after that, brew yourself some nice camomile tea and hug some trees or something, you arse!
Radar F@ckwit:
As Deliverance rightly points out, your gripe is with the politicians, so don't waste bandwidth on here; your time would be more effectively utilised writing to your MP or even the PM himself (good luck..)
If you're still a little stressed about it after that, brew yourself some nice camomile tea and hug some trees or something, you
arse!
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Gosh. Did I dare to hold a different opinion from you guys? In that case, my 'high minded moral view' must be wrong.
Alternatively. I was not denigrating those who risked their asses in TELIC (including myself). I am saying that you should use some of your pent-up energy to consider if what we did was right rather than wondering if you will get more tin.
Alternatively. I was not denigrating those who risked their asses in TELIC (including myself). I am saying that you should use some of your pent-up energy to consider if what we did was right rather than wondering if you will get more tin.
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RM:
I don't give 2 hoots whether I get any 'tin' or not, quite frankly.
What I DO care about is that, yes, lots of people had misgivings about going to war, (me included) but, (and please don't laugh at this one,) you/we/I have to have a certain amount of faith that by being asked to do what we are trained (and paid) to do, then all other options have failed.
History will judge Messrs. Bush, Blair et al, but until then, you/we/I have signed on the dotted line and effectively taken 'the Queen's shilling' so let's just do ourselves and our country, and what we stand for, proud.
If you have serious doubts about subscribing to this philosophy, then maybe you're in the wrong job?
I don't give 2 hoots whether I get any 'tin' or not, quite frankly.
What I DO care about is that, yes, lots of people had misgivings about going to war, (me included) but, (and please don't laugh at this one,) you/we/I have to have a certain amount of faith that by being asked to do what we are trained (and paid) to do, then all other options have failed.
History will judge Messrs. Bush, Blair et al, but until then, you/we/I have signed on the dotted line and effectively taken 'the Queen's shilling' so let's just do ourselves and our country, and what we stand for, proud.
If you have serious doubts about subscribing to this philosophy, then maybe you're in the wrong job?
I knew why we were there in the Malvinas, Gulf War 1, Bosnia, Kosovo and most of Trust-me Tone's other come-as-you-are wars.
But I never had the same feeling about Gulf War 2.
However, if HM says go, you have to go.
But I never had the same feeling about Gulf War 2.
However, if HM says go, you have to go.
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As usual, Beags, you hit the nail on the head, althought I felt that the push to remove Saddam was a good one (and no, I don't particularly want to trigger the arguements re: Mugabi, N Korea, etc). The problems have arisen out of the American 'I am' philosophy where they see themselves are conquering heros and had no plan in place to police the country and involve the Iraqis in the re-shaping of their future. They also cannot grasp the tribal concept that rules the way the arabs run the ME. Unlike the Brits in the south...
It would be a much more interesting debate, though, if we could use the forum as a debating chamber rather that a vehicle descending into personal abuse. I find THAT increasingly tiresome.
It would be a much more interesting debate, though, if we could use the forum as a debating chamber rather that a vehicle descending into personal abuse. I find THAT increasingly tiresome.
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Radar Muppet: please tell me you're taking the mickey. If you are told by your superiors/HM to go, you go. You don't stand about all day in some air base in Lincolnshire, etc. saying "well I don't want to...." ... you sign up, you do as you are asked.
The war may or may not have been right, just, fair, legal or whatever. However our "boys and girls" out there need the support of the British people behind them and I for one say they should get a medal for their service out there.
Jordan
The war may or may not have been right, just, fair, legal or whatever. However our "boys and girls" out there need the support of the British people behind them and I for one say they should get a medal for their service out there.
Jordan
