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Well said nurse. 
I hear they are thinking of chopping up HMS Victory into firewood so some Pompey pensioners skint through all the hidden taxation can keep warm this winter
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I hear they are thinking of chopping up HMS Victory into firewood so some Pompey pensioners skint through all the hidden taxation can keep warm this winter
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There must be some merit in looking for a monetary return on expenditure on ceremonial and airshows. Certainly BBMF could charge more and we have enough talent around capable in less-stretched times to capitalise on such assets by running a major show - perhaps we should not always give all the proceeds to charities. We're getting to the point where Defence itself will have to look for charitable donations because this government does not appear to want to fund it.
Rumours circulating at work of reducing the RAF down to a force of approx. 38,000-39,000. The impression given is that of a politician's/bean counter's number pulled out of a hat, that the RAF then has to decide how to achieve.
Has anyone heard any more on this subject?
Has anyone heard any more on this subject?
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I guarantee someone will come up with the bright idea of selling of land like salisbury plain. But those ideas are one shot fixes what is needed is stable sustained investment in our forces.
Question :do all 3 services need a seperate medical or police service could savings be made by amalgamating these into triservice pro and triservice med?
Question :do all 3 services need a seperate medical or police service could savings be made by amalgamating these into triservice pro and triservice med?
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I reckon you're an OC Admin looking for promotion-your last missive suddenly became (almost) ISS "A" grade service writing. Clearly, you hate aircrew or, more likely, are jealous of their (extreme) wealth. May I respectfully suggest a PPL (at your expense naturally) as this may help as a stepping stone to facilitate your joining our master-race.
I reckon you're an OC Admin looking for promotion-your last missive suddenly became (almost) ISS "A" grade service writing. Clearly, you hate aircrew or, more likely, are jealous of their (extreme) wealth. May I respectfully suggest a PPL (at your expense naturally) as this may help as a stepping stone to facilitate your joining our master-race.
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Please deliver us from deliverance
What if it's called Typhoon and doesn't turn up?
What if it's grounded?
What if they shoot them both down?
Quantity has a quality all of its' own
One fast jet type, and a capability now.
What if it's grounded?
What if they shoot them both down?
Quantity has a quality all of its' own
I don't think that any sensible government would buy aircraft from the US as the customer version is never as good as the model they keep for themselves. Plus what would the unions and industry say?
Having different types of a/c that can broadly speaking cover each others roles should help prevent an airforce from losing all it's available assets to one major fault (remember Buccaneer wing spars?).
What I believe this country needs is a varied and versatile sevice that has not put all it's eggs in one basket which it is in danger of doing if it relies too heavily on Typhoon.
Above all please save us from further jointery. I have the utmost respect for the other services but I do not want to join them
Stacked early again!
Having different types of a/c that can broadly speaking cover each others roles should help prevent an airforce from losing all it's available assets to one major fault (remember Buccaneer wing spars?).
What I believe this country needs is a varied and versatile sevice that has not put all it's eggs in one basket which it is in danger of doing if it relies too heavily on Typhoon.
Above all please save us from further jointery. I have the utmost respect for the other services but I do not want to join them
Stacked early again!
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Just to clear a few things up I'm not an OC Admin. I'm not even RAF.
I dislike the aircrew attitude that they are superior to everyone else they have a job to do. Just like The RAF policeman stagging on. Or the Infantry soldier on the front line.
At least the reality of purple oerations is now sinking in to the armed forces. On tellic I had to get RAF and RN personel to understand that the conditions they were living in were not that bad as they could be they were in buildings, under canvas and had some amenities. The RAF people just couldn't get their head around the fact that they had signed up to the armed forces and had been sent to do a job. We kept hearing I didn't join to live/work in conditions like this. The Navy guys when we exlained the alternatives ie hole in ground under camnet took it on board and were fine and got on with the Job. The RAF were constantly on the phone to their desk officers trying to be pulled out of theatre. Yet when Purple establishments are made the RAF start empire building and changing the existing systems to suit the Airforce and what the other services need is ignored. Leading to in some areas the systems being improved but in many others some very Dangerous dumbing down has taken place leading to capability shortfalls in the other two services.
I dislike the aircrew attitude that they are superior to everyone else they have a job to do. Just like The RAF policeman stagging on. Or the Infantry soldier on the front line.
At least the reality of purple oerations is now sinking in to the armed forces. On tellic I had to get RAF and RN personel to understand that the conditions they were living in were not that bad as they could be they were in buildings, under canvas and had some amenities. The RAF people just couldn't get their head around the fact that they had signed up to the armed forces and had been sent to do a job. We kept hearing I didn't join to live/work in conditions like this. The Navy guys when we exlained the alternatives ie hole in ground under camnet took it on board and were fine and got on with the Job. The RAF were constantly on the phone to their desk officers trying to be pulled out of theatre. Yet when Purple establishments are made the RAF start empire building and changing the existing systems to suit the Airforce and what the other services need is ignored. Leading to in some areas the systems being improved but in many others some very Dangerous dumbing down has taken place leading to capability shortfalls in the other two services.
Not good enough for the RAF, clearly.
And with a chip on the shoulder to prove it.
And if your grammar and spelling are other than a clever joke, and if you're more than a Lance Corporal, then Army standards must have slipped alarmingly.
And with a chip on the shoulder to prove it.
And if your grammar and spelling are other than a clever joke, and if you're more than a Lance Corporal, then Army standards must have slipped alarmingly.
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Sorry if you met the wrong RAF crowd, nurse. Let me try to assure you, RAF aircrew know they are not superior to everyone else and they fly crap kit most of the time to prove it. Other trades are all professional people and usually cope with challenge, hardship and change better than you witnessed. It is, however, interesting that in most operations since the Falklands it has been necessary to cobble together a motley collection from various units in order to form one sizeable enough to meet the task. That this should expose leadership and morale problems is no surprise to me and I was never happy to go to war in a unit that had not trained together in peacetime.
Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the behaviour you witnessed.
Nevertheless, there is no excuse for the behaviour you witnessed.
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Here's an idea. Why not follow what's happening in Financial Services and shed massive numbers of UK jobs to India.
The way you could do it is to recruit in India for 'Indian Only' British regiments. They would be paid 30% of what we pay our
troops over here, but after, say, eight years in the UK Forces they get the right to reside in the UK.
Let's face it. The same thing is happening with nurses in the NHS.
Bit of 'blue sky' thinking there. Remember foks, you heard it here first.
The way you could do it is to recruit in India for 'Indian Only' British regiments. They would be paid 30% of what we pay our
troops over here, but after, say, eight years in the UK Forces they get the right to reside in the UK.
Let's face it. The same thing is happening with nurses in the NHS.
Bit of 'blue sky' thinking there. Remember foks, you heard it here first.
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The worst though was one of your doctors who instead of waiting to disestablish her post trailed a replacement out from the UK.
The next tranche of RAF were much better but the actions of your command at times left a nasty taste in the mouth eg pulling a dedicated aeromed flight to use the aircraft to Tank Tornado's back to uk and delaying the evacuation of sick and injured personnel from an operational theatre.
Sorry about the spelling if you'd put a spellchecker on here it would help anyway it the rules say nothing about having to comply with JSP101 or whatever they call it now.
Btw I am quite happy being army and don't have any RAF created chip. Most of the behaviour I have seen from the boys in light blue has lived up to army expectations
.I do now actually have some respect for the RAF regt having lived with them though I still think they would be better in the army. Your J1 side of the house is excellent if manpower heavy and I do wish the AGC would send people over to learn from you. I found TPW scary at what they thought they were. But unfortunatley the non professionally qualified side of you medical services is really frightening are thease guys and girls actually let loose on real patients in med centres?
the army do recruit from the commonwealth but because of the CRE we have to pay them the same. Its not great when large numbers of soldiers don't have English as their first spoken language.
the army do recruit from the commonwealth but because of the CRE we have to pay them the same. Its not great when large numbers of soldiers don't have English as their first spoken language.
The next tranche of RAF were much better but the actions of your command at times left a nasty taste in the mouth eg pulling a dedicated aeromed flight to use the aircraft to Tank Tornado's back to uk and delaying the evacuation of sick and injured personnel from an operational theatre.
Sorry about the spelling if you'd put a spellchecker on here it would help anyway it the rules say nothing about having to comply with JSP101 or whatever they call it now.
Btw I am quite happy being army and don't have any RAF created chip. Most of the behaviour I have seen from the boys in light blue has lived up to army expectations
.I do now actually have some respect for the RAF regt having lived with them though I still think they would be better in the army. Your J1 side of the house is excellent if manpower heavy and I do wish the AGC would send people over to learn from you. I found TPW scary at what they thought they were. But unfortunatley the non professionally qualified side of you medical services is really frightening are thease guys and girls actually let loose on real patients in med centres?the army do recruit from the commonwealth but because of the CRE we have to pay them the same. Its not great when large numbers of soldiers don't have English as their first spoken language.
the army do recruit from the commonwealth but because of the CRE we have to pay them the same. Its not great when large numbers of soldiers don't have English as their first spoken language.
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You appear to be judging the entire RAF on one bunch of pepple that you have met.
If only one of our commands decisions has left a sour taste then you are luckier than most of the RAF that has ever deployed. From your title I'll hazard a guess that you are medically orientated and have a high regard fot human life. In the RAF everything and every person is considered assets and more often than not aircraft come first then every thing else. It seems that people are easier to replace.
In my experience most of the RAF will go anywhere they are told and just get on with it. Of course people grumble, it passes the time (like reading forums on the internet) but as far as I'm concerned those you met are not typical.
You appear to be judging the entire RAF on one bunch of pepple that you have met.
If only one of our commands decisions has left a sour taste then you are luckier than most of the RAF that has ever deployed. From your title I'll hazard a guess that you are medically orientated and have a high regard fot human life. In the RAF everything and every person is considered assets and more often than not aircraft come first then every thing else. It seems that people are easier to replace.
In my experience most of the RAF will go anywhere they are told and just get on with it. Of course people grumble, it passes the time (like reading forums on the internet) but as far as I'm concerned those you met are not typical.
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This is only a guess, but......
the decision to bring aircraft back from TELIC was probably at a level higher that JUST RAF. I would guess that something of that magnitude would have been made fairly close to the top.
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Hahahahahahahahahaha. Thanks. Needed that.
the decision to bring aircraft back from TELIC was probably at a level higher that JUST RAF. I would guess that something of that magnitude would have been made fairly close to the top.
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Let me try to assure you, RAF aircrew know they are not superior to everyone else and they fly crap kit most of the time to prove it.
