Nimrod vs C130 or B707
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Absolutely right. The fighter's aim in such circumstances must be to disrupt the truckies' mission, wheras the truckies' intention is to survive by making the kill too time (and fuel)-consuming and difficult. It's interesting to speculate, given the current discussion on this forum, what the result of 'Sharky' Ward's engagement of the Argentinian C130 would have been had the 130 pilot received RAF (or Israeli) DAC training. My own understanding of the event is that the C130 tried to run away in a straight line - bad move! Had he used the tactics we were taught at the time, and which were subsequently refined in the light of experience elsewhere, that C130 should have survived against a limited-endurance heat-seeker and gun-equipped light fighter that wasn't specifically tasked to engage that target.
Hindsight (and a lot of practice) is great, isn't it!?
Hindsight (and a lot of practice) is great, isn't it!?
In the Vulcan it was certainly possible to make the task of an attacking fighter very difficult but only if you were aware of its missile parameters.
Mixing it in the visual doggers environment ws also quite possible. Once upon a time, the CF decided to re-invent ACM. We had a play with a CF-101 from Chatham. He won the BVR kill - hardly surprising with a nuclear-tipped (did the tree huggers know about that?) missile which would vapourise a few cubic miles of sky and anything in it.... But at the merge, the Voodoo needed a V-sub-C of something like 550 KIAS, whereas the Vulcan would happily turn at 45-60 deg AoB, FL430 and M0.86 all at the same time. A few turns and we were happily tracking the Voodoo inside his enormous turn radius. Listening to the tapes aterwards was hilarious "Where'd he go, where'd he go...sheehit, he's behind us trackin'.....howd'ya let somethin' that big get behind us, hope no-one hears aboooot this!"
Mixing it in the visual doggers environment ws also quite possible. Once upon a time, the CF decided to re-invent ACM. We had a play with a CF-101 from Chatham. He won the BVR kill - hardly surprising with a nuclear-tipped (did the tree huggers know about that?) missile which would vapourise a few cubic miles of sky and anything in it.... But at the merge, the Voodoo needed a V-sub-C of something like 550 KIAS, whereas the Vulcan would happily turn at 45-60 deg AoB, FL430 and M0.86 all at the same time. A few turns and we were happily tracking the Voodoo inside his enormous turn radius. Listening to the tapes aterwards was hilarious "Where'd he go, where'd he go...sheehit, he's behind us trackin'.....howd'ya let somethin' that big get behind us, hope no-one hears aboooot this!"
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QUOTE]With the 'other' use of the mighty hunter, why not equip with Brimstone rather than task a FJ[/QUOTE]
Might be a while before 'Newrod' enters service, but watch this space.........
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Might be a while before 'Newrod' enters service, but watch this space.........
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This really is into the realms of "it couldn't happen" but if you converted speed to height in something without an off boresite facility, you haven't really solved your problems. You still need to get nose on to the tgt to aquire and with something as "cold" as a Herc you need to get pretty close (this also prevents the Herc with its good rate and radius of turn from getting nose on). This leaves you in your Mighty Hunter with a good bit of nose down against a target at very low altitude - best you get your LSJ on!
The Herc is not the easiest of beasts to shoot down with a 9L, radar laid guns is a different matter.
This really is into the realms of "it couldn't happen" but if you converted speed to height in something without an off boresite facility, you haven't really solved your problems. You still need to get nose on to the tgt to aquire and with something as "cold" as a Herc you need to get pretty close (this also prevents the Herc with its good rate and radius of turn from getting nose on). This leaves you in your Mighty Hunter with a good bit of nose down against a target at very low altitude - best you get your LSJ on!
The Herc is not the easiest of beasts to shoot down with a 9L, radar laid guns is a different matter.
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Flew against two lightenings once off Flanborough Head, apart from the bit where they sneakily came at us from behind before we were ready
we held our own pretty well! All we did was turn towards the a/c that was trying to get on our tail, held them off for all of ten minutes then they had to go home.
there was another time out of Gib on Autumn train, targetting the carrier, if you can call it that
Cheated and used the friendly frequencies to listen to the Awacs guide a SHAR onto us, started to jam it by transmitting the pilot singing very badly
The SHAR pilot was so annoyed he followed us while we were running away well beyond the FEZ and even wanted to come into the cloud we were hiding in 
Luckily for us the AWACs ordered him home since he was bingo and only had enough juice to return at FL350 and straight onto the deck. we did offer to escort him back, you know, just in case
we held our own pretty well! All we did was turn towards the a/c that was trying to get on our tail, held them off for all of ten minutes then they had to go home.there was another time out of Gib on Autumn train, targetting the carrier, if you can call it that
Cheated and used the friendly frequencies to listen to the Awacs guide a SHAR onto us, started to jam it by transmitting the pilot singing very badly The SHAR pilot was so annoyed he followed us while we were running away well beyond the FEZ and even wanted to come into the cloud we were hiding in Luckily for us the AWACs ordered him home since he was bingo and only had enough juice to return at FL350 and straight onto the deck. we did offer to escort him back, you know, just in case
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Scroggs,
Hear, hear.... as always.
FJJP,
If you actually drive the Mighty Hunter then name the time and place where you want to shoot the ass off my C-130, anytime baby!!!
Flap 62,
Fair one,I think you got me in the end, or was it your wingman?. 1vs 1 next time please!!! oh and this time I'll have 50% more engine power and the G meter and a V stall carot in the HUD.
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Hear, hear.... as always.
FJJP,
If you actually drive the Mighty Hunter then name the time and place where you want to shoot the ass off my C-130, anytime baby!!!
Flap 62,
Fair one,I think you got me in the end, or was it your wingman?. 1vs 1 next time please!!! oh and this time I'll have 50% more engine power and the G meter and a V stall carot in the HUD.
Load Moving...............
