Airborne FCs
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Correct my incorrectness if I am incorrect.
Trades within Aircrew
Pilot
Navigator
Air Engineer
Air Load Master
Air Electronics Operator
Air Signaller
Not listed in any order before we all start fighting.
All but the first becoming Wisy Wop or something like that as of April 2003.
Notice most begin with an A, apart from the ones that don’t
All spelling mistakes are because I can’t spell
Trades within Aircrew
Pilot
Navigator
Air Engineer
Air Load Master
Air Electronics Operator
Air Signaller
Not listed in any order before we all start fighting.
All but the first becoming Wisy Wop or something like that as of April 2003.
Notice most begin with an A, apart from the ones that don’t
All spelling mistakes are because I can’t spell
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Of course they are aircrew because thay have been selected at OASC, been through a recognised aircrew training course, have done the required survival courses and have RAF on their (new) brevet.
Or
......B?
Or
......B?
FC's are "groundcrew"?
I think perhaps not.
Aircrew clingons maybe?
I think perhaps not.
Aircrew clingons maybe?
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Jobza
You are quite right, forgive the slur on our true groundcrew.
I should have said:
..groundstrades filling temporary flying posts!!
Apologies to groundcrew.
You are quite right, forgive the slur on our true groundcrew.
I should have said:
..groundstrades filling temporary flying posts!!
Apologies to groundcrew.
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Keep the brevet or not?
FC's
Is it true they now wear the same brevet as the WSO's and WSOp's? If so, this is going to be intolerable.
Fantastic at their jobs, wouldn't want to be in theatre
without them, however, why are they issued with brevets?
Purely so they can distinguish themselves from their ground branch counterparts and impose an air of importance within their own trade?
They should continue to do a great job but without the exclusion of a brevet, that all other 'aircrew' have earned the right to wear.
At the very least they should be stripped of their brevets once they finish their flying tour.
I can wear my WSO brevet with pride!
Is it true they now wear the same brevet as the WSO's and WSOp's? If so, this is going to be intolerable.
Fantastic at their jobs, wouldn't want to be in theatre
without them, however, why are they issued with brevets?
Purely so they can distinguish themselves from their ground branch counterparts and impose an air of importance within their own trade?
They should continue to do a great job but without the exclusion of a brevet, that all other 'aircrew' have earned the right to wear.
At the very least they should be stripped of their brevets once they finish their flying tour.
I can wear my WSO brevet with pride!
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Anita,
Now I'm getting confused. The Trade Group 19 stewards who fly wear Eagles over their stripes, which they retain when on the ground, but have no brevet. Does this mean they are or are not aircrew?
If we really want to differentiate between those who are aircrew as opposed to those who work in the air how about going back to basics and starting with what the individuals were recruited to do and what their initial training prepared them for. On this basis neither FCs nor Air Stewards would qualify as aircrew. On the other hand if you take the view that anyone whose job is undertaken while airborne is aircrew then include the lot.
Now I'm getting confused. The Trade Group 19 stewards who fly wear Eagles over their stripes, which they retain when on the ground, but have no brevet. Does this mean they are or are not aircrew?
If we really want to differentiate between those who are aircrew as opposed to those who work in the air how about going back to basics and starting with what the individuals were recruited to do and what their initial training prepared them for. On this basis neither FCs nor Air Stewards would qualify as aircrew. On the other hand if you take the view that anyone whose job is undertaken while airborne is aircrew then include the lot.
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Just sitting on the fence, but dont the AWACS FC's complete a formal course of airborne instruction at 23 Sqn, just like any other WSO or WSOP does at their respective OCU ? As a WAFU I'm intrigued.
If you are airborne as part of a crew, be it front seat or back, its still a team effort is it not?
Or is it still "no stick no vote you're not a pilot so s*d off" Not really the ethos of CRM is it?
Oggin
(who may not be sitting on the fence actually!!)
If you are airborne as part of a crew, be it front seat or back, its still a team effort is it not?
Or is it still "no stick no vote you're not a pilot so s*d off" Not really the ethos of CRM is it?
Oggin
(who may not be sitting on the fence actually!!)
