Red Arrows accident Jersey
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Red Arrows accident Jersey
Just been announced on BBC 2 News that a Red Arrows Aircraft has been involved in an accident at Jersey today. Both people involved were "Shaken" but nothing worse than that.
Anybody have further details.?
Anybody have further details.?
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'nough said
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From the horse's mouth - looks like a minor mishap
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Do you have to be so cryptic Lost ThePicture? What exactly are you saying?
According to the report:
"Wing Commander Bill Ramsey ........
... said he thought the accident was caused by a minor engineering fault. "
It is possible you know, these things do happen.
According to the report:
"Wing Commander Bill Ramsey ........
... said he thought the accident was caused by a minor engineering fault. "
It is possible you know, these things do happen.
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Well done to the pilot - no one was hurt. I am intiqued by the apparent discrepancy between the description from http://www.raf.mod.uk/reds/news.html and the BBC photo. Is it simply a case of Military jounalism trying to put a brave face on it or is the photo unreal?
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Glad to hear nobody was hurt.
Got a nice surprise when landing back from Paphos into Exeter on the 27th aug. vacated the runway and saw the Red arrows parked. Then as I was walking into the arrivals, saw them takeoff
Got a nice surprise when landing back from Paphos into Exeter on the 27th aug. vacated the runway and saw the Red arrows parked. Then as I was walking into the arrivals, saw them takeoff
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You are right pilotwolf, there is not a lot of space between the end of 27 and the road, then the cliff face - sounds pretty hairy, especially since there was heavy building machinery about, and as you can see from the BBC pic the Hawk was eventually stopped by a large bank of earth.
Good to hear both on board were OK though.
Good to hear both on board were OK though.
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geedee 011 :
as the runway is a tad short,couldn't they forego the slick antics and land one at a time like the rest of the world ?
wedge :
the earth bank was only constructed 24 hours before the Red's arrival.Good job,otherwise the aircarft would have plopped straight over onto the golf couse/beach below !
From the RAF website :
Mmmm,
"leaving the side of the runway onto the grass"
Rather understates the fact the it went off the end and down a hill with nothing to stop it than a 1-day old earth bank.
The Wing Commander being interviewed on local tv was extremely embarassed when interviewed !
Perhaps Jersey is just a tad too small for an 11 ship stream landing?:
as the runway is a tad short,couldn't they forego the slick antics and land one at a time like the rest of the world ?
wedge :
You are right pilotwolf, there is not a lot of space between the end of 27 and the road, then the cliff face - sounds pretty hairy, especially since there was heavy building machinery about, and as you can see from the BBC pic the Hawk was eventually stopped by a large bank of earth.
the earth bank was only constructed 24 hours before the Red's arrival.Good job,otherwise the aircarft would have plopped straight over onto the golf couse/beach below !
From the RAF website :
Hawk incident at Jersey.
A Red Arrows' Hawk aircraft developed a minor problem on landing which led to the aircraft leaving the side of the runway onto the grass at Jersey Airport today.
The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Jez Griggs, carried out the standard safety procedures and both he and his engineer, Corporal Harry Harrison, were unhurt. An investigation has already begun into the incident.
The Red Arrows intend to carry out their display at Guernsey and Jersey on Thursday as planned. The Royal Air Force would like to thank the Jersey Airport authorities for their prompt and efficient assistance.
09 September 2003
A Red Arrows' Hawk aircraft developed a minor problem on landing which led to the aircraft leaving the side of the runway onto the grass at Jersey Airport today.
The pilot, Flight Lieutenant Jez Griggs, carried out the standard safety procedures and both he and his engineer, Corporal Harry Harrison, were unhurt. An investigation has already begun into the incident.
The Red Arrows intend to carry out their display at Guernsey and Jersey on Thursday as planned. The Royal Air Force would like to thank the Jersey Airport authorities for their prompt and efficient assistance.
09 September 2003
Mmmm,
"leaving the side of the runway onto the grass"
Rather understates the fact the it went off the end and down a hill with nothing to stop it than a 1-day old earth bank.
The Wing Commander being interviewed on local tv was extremely embarassed when interviewed !
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The local television station showed a tractor pulling the plane back on to the runway. All was going well until the bar broke resulting in the aircraft going backwards and damaging it's stb elevator! Woops
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Happen to know very experienced ex RAF fighter pilot and test pilot who said the Red Arrows are a bunch of pansies who couldn't hack the front line and can't really fly anyway.!!!
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CM, you, of course, have served front line and been shot at - you must have been to agree with drivel that your prejudicd ex-fighter pilot mate uttered. How'd you like to work every day throughout the display season and spend mucho nights away from home, including weekends? And of course, the leave ban throughout the season, including the entire kids summer holiday...
No, I'm not ex-Red, or a particular admirer, but they do a great PR job, before going BACK to the front line.
No, I'm not ex-Red, or a particular admirer, but they do a great PR job, before going BACK to the front line.
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Chesty... my mate says you are a pillock and can't hack a decent constructive reply!!! He said it so it must be true!
There I thick I managed to create an equally totally useless and pointless post just for chesty's benefit!
As I understand it they didn't do a 11 stream landing but did 3-ships (and yes I know 3 doesn't divide into 11 equally - before some niibbing blunty pionts it out!)
In my opinion the boys do a great job and are fine pilots. It is a pleasure when ever we work with them.
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There I thick I managed to create an equally totally useless and pointless post just for chesty's benefit!
As I understand it they didn't do a 11 stream landing but did 3-ships (and yes I know 3 doesn't divide into 11 equally - before some niibbing blunty pionts it out!)
In my opinion the boys do a great job and are fine pilots. It is a pleasure when ever we work with them.
T
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'Bunch of pansies'
As for the 'bunch of pansies' comment I have heard similar from front-line pilots. I also recall the wife of a GR4 pilot quoting her husband 'the fighter guys are ok at swanning round having thier photos taken but we just go out and make history' and a Tornado PR pilot saying 'its ok for the bombers but we have to go in the next day on our own to photograph the results. And they tend to be upset with us by then'. Anyone notice a pattern?
As for the arrows (and before anyone shouts at me I don't know which is why I'm asking) I was told that a lot of the pilots are recruited from the training staff at Valley. This presumably leads to the possibility that someone could go through training at Valley, be recruited there as a 'creamy' instructor (6 months training + 2 year tour) and then go into the arrows (3 year tour) so could end up with 5 1/2 years without going through the 'weapons and tactics' course, let alone front line service. True or false?
As for the arrows (and before anyone shouts at me I don't know which is why I'm asking) I was told that a lot of the pilots are recruited from the training staff at Valley. This presumably leads to the possibility that someone could go through training at Valley, be recruited there as a 'creamy' instructor (6 months training + 2 year tour) and then go into the arrows (3 year tour) so could end up with 5 1/2 years without going through the 'weapons and tactics' course, let alone front line service. True or false?
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Thanks Chris.
I know the creamies exist (I've met some) and the recruiting more from Valley (although not exclusively obviously) story seemed to make sense (at a minimum the Valley pilots would be current on the Hawk, as opposed to last having flown one a few years before, which should give some sort of edge in the type of trials shown on the box the other week). The rest was my extrapolation from that but I didn't know. And if you don't know it makes sense to ask someone who does.
I know the creamies exist (I've met some) and the recruiting more from Valley (although not exclusively obviously) story seemed to make sense (at a minimum the Valley pilots would be current on the Hawk, as opposed to last having flown one a few years before, which should give some sort of edge in the type of trials shown on the box the other week). The rest was my extrapolation from that but I didn't know. And if you don't know it makes sense to ask someone who does.