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Old 11th Sep 2003, 16:04
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Instead of us all spouting off uninformed, why not check out the Arrows website that tells us all what these guys did before? It´s at
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 16:34
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...I think you may find they had a hydraulic failure which led to the 'event'...

...also, for those of you who don't know Jersey too well, he was nowhere near the end of the runway, the cliff OR the golf course...

...entire event occurred within the airfield boundary and was really a 'non-event' other than the guys did a good job to get it down safely...

(I will never get a job with the press if I keep on like this!)

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Old 11th Sep 2003, 17:05
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milky,


...also, for those of you who don't know Jersey too well, he was nowhere near the end of the runway, the cliff OR the golf course...

Admittedly my knowledge of Jersey is very sketchy,having only lived in the Channel Islands for 35 years !!
So where exactly did the hawk stop ?
Was it off to the north of 27 ?
Local news said that the pilot steered towards the bank of earth to stop himself !!
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 17:20
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Well they would wouldn't they!

Anyway, sad to see what appears a tiny bit of the colour green on here.
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 17:32
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Last time I watched the Reds land a couple of years ago, No 10 in a stream landing lost his brakes. They don't use a slow lane on the runway but go left/right side alternately. Was very impressive (and professional) to watch No 10 bolt through the middle to set up for an individual landing that he managed to stop on the runway.

I would find what they do boring after the novelty had worn off (about a year?). I preferred the variety of front-line flying but each to their own and, like FJJP said, they are good for PR.
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 18:46
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Chesty,

I regret to say Sir, you are an ar$e.

I am no great lover of the Reds, but I do have immence respect for them. They are a great bunch of blokes, and I have the honour of knowing several of them personally.

Sadly, your comments are typical of 'ex-fighter jocks' and only go to show how sad you lot are. Fighter pilots, hum lets see........
Gulf war 1 - No fighter jocks
Bosnia - No fighter jocks again!
Kosovo - Guess what? yep, no fighter jocks
Gulf war 2 - yep, got it in one - NO fighter jocks
(maybe they've all gone to join the Reds!)

Mind you FJJP, don't go over the top about them my dear chap! Yes, it must be absolute $hit living in all those 5* hotels, visiting all those wonderful places, all the freebies they get - oh and getting the wife and girlfriend flown out free to those places!! Yes, it must be hell for them, still it beats a tent in Oman!
And as for leave? What's that? ask anyone serving on the front line for the last 3 -4 years, they'll tell you what leave is all about!

The Reds do a fantastic PR job for the RAF, and long may it continue. Fighyter jocks? go find yourself a real job somewhere, preferably with a 'bucket & spade' airline!

Regards to all
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 19:19
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Hear hear !

Let's not forget these guys apply for the post, let's face it, it's not a job one gets "joed" for !!!

I think they do a great job. Had a run in with a now ex red a while back (he was an ar$e and being a pr!ck at the time !) but from the guys on this years team there are some good lads that I know.

A few of the lads do come from Valley but following front line tours, usually single seat.

I do agree with Ali that it would, I'd imagine, become repetative after a while but then so does working in an office and I know which I'd prefer
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 19:19
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Ali Barber -
They don't use a slow lane on the runway but go left/right side alternately
I take it that there must have been something parked on the hard shoulder then !!!

A mate of mine works for JCB. He told me they had received an order from the Red's to replace hawk tyres with tracks for off runway work. he's a good mate so it must be true

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Old 11th Sep 2003, 19:25
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Mr Monkey…

While I agree with most of what you’ve said, you know as well as I do that they don’t get their wives or girlfriends flown out too all those places… That’s just utter rubbish!

Still, they do a fantastic job, they’re a great bunch of guys and I have immense respect from them (even if I do think they’ve got themselves a cushy number for 3 years…). At the end of the day, the reason they are chosen to represent to Royal Air Force, is because they are very experienced and competent pilots…

Oh, and one last thing… Most of the Reds are mud movers, not fighter jocks!… I’ll get my coat!

Cheers
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Old 11th Sep 2003, 19:55
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Grob driver,

You keep telling me you are far to busy at work for........?
so how come your not in that little Pop-Pop machine of yours flying about anyway ??!

As for the Reds taking their wives away - I beg to differ! I didn't say thay go everywhere with them, but they do get to go away with them to some of the more exotic places, we both know that.

No complaints about that, but whats good for one..??....et al old boy. Also, you are correct about most of them being Muds, the only time the fighte jocks get that close to the ground is take off and landing! They need a good 20 - 30k beneath them! (Maybe a bit less in an F-3!!)

Maybe we can have a chat about all this at Leuchars this weekend eh? although we'll have to watch out for all those 'fighter jocks'

Kind regards

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Old 11th Sep 2003, 22:07
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Red Arrows Accident Jersey

Come on guys.... the best-trained and most professional aviators in the world bickering and gossiping like schoolgirls...he said...she said... blah blah blah! bm
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Old 13th Sep 2003, 06:09
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admittedly a bit off thread, but


"Hello, Im XXXX, red 4"

and the Air Trafficer replies

"Yes, Im XXXX, talkdown 2"

made me laugh anyway
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Old 14th Sep 2003, 02:35
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Just back from a weeks hols in Jersey this morning.

Watched them depart this morning after their 4 day stay, Albert arriving at around the same time to pick up their stuff.

Whilst taxiing out for departure on 09, noticed the position of the aforementioned earth bank - quite displaced to the S of the threshold and well away from the "cliff" that drops to St Ouen's Bay below (assuming I was looking at the correct earth bank, of course)

Great to see them displaying against the backdrop of St Aubyn's Bay on Thurs pm (pity that the late morning Guernsey show had to be scrubbed due Wx).

To pick up on an earlier comment - BA did operate an L1011 to EGJJ - once - to clear a backlog of EGLL pax after one of those foggy Jersey days - I was in Guernsey on holiday at the time (late 70's, don't remember the exact Year) and remember seeing it reported on the local news
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Old 16th Sep 2003, 01:35
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Seem to remember an Ex Cook getting commissioned , flew "Frightnings" then the Gnat and Hawk at Kemble.

Last I heard was he went to the "Cloggies " to fly F-16s and come to think of it, did a spectacular Beat -Up at Kemble in said F-16.
They were the days ...
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Old 17th Sep 2003, 14:26
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I know its rather late in the day, but judgeing by the eath bank in a photo, perhaps the pilot thought he was back in a harrier and for one confused moment thought he was going up,up and away on his ski ramp! mind you ski ramps are`nt brown. mmmmmmm
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And he's never been a Harrier pilot but apart from that......
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