India buys Hawk
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India buys Hawk
Maybe the MOD order did have some effect after all. I'd wait till the order is signed before celebrating though.
BBC - India decides on jet contract
BBC - India decides on jet contract
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Letter in today's Fin Times:
Sir,
The Indian Government seems to have better negotiators than the MOD. For £800m the IAF will get 66 Hawks, while for the same sum the RAF last month bought only 20.
Perhaps the RAF jets will have the sports pack, with alloy wheels and leather seats.
Comments?
Sir,
The Indian Government seems to have better negotiators than the MOD. For £800m the IAF will get 66 Hawks, while for the same sum the RAF last month bought only 20.
Perhaps the RAF jets will have the sports pack, with alloy wheels and leather seats.
Comments?
Last edited by skua; 6th Sep 2003 at 04:09.
It's a great headline - with the similar price and dissimilar quantity, but behind this there is a prosaic and boring explanation
RAF: An £8OOm price has been quoted for the Hawk 128 ‘deal’, covering full development of the Hawk 128, acquisition of 44 fully equipped aircraft (“We currently foresee a requirement for 44 aircraft, derived from study work about our future pilot training processes.... Our current expectation is that we will need to buy all 44.”), and the provision of initial spares and support equipment. The price will reduce if only 24 are built.
India: The £800 m price includes the acquisition of far fewer than 66 aircraft, since at the tail end of the programme these will be entirely indigenously built. It therefore includes a handful of fully assembled aircraft from Brough/Warton, some more delivered knocked down, and then aircraft delivered as major assemblies, and then more as minor sub assemblies before full local manufacture. At several of these stages, there will be a significant reduction in 'value added' by Brough/Warton, so the unit price for these 'kits' will be lower. I'm not sure that India's price includes the Adour engines, either, since India already builds Adours for its Jags, and may build more for the Hawk (I know, different Adour). Also I believe that the Indian jets will include some local avionics etc. from the start, - another thing to knock off the price tag.
Moreover, while the RAF's Hawks will be full up Hawk LIFTs, like the Aussie and South African super jets, India's Hawk 115Ys will be to a much more modest standard. So yes - alloy wheels and body kits will be included!
RAF: An £8OOm price has been quoted for the Hawk 128 ‘deal’, covering full development of the Hawk 128, acquisition of 44 fully equipped aircraft (“We currently foresee a requirement for 44 aircraft, derived from study work about our future pilot training processes.... Our current expectation is that we will need to buy all 44.”), and the provision of initial spares and support equipment. The price will reduce if only 24 are built.
India: The £800 m price includes the acquisition of far fewer than 66 aircraft, since at the tail end of the programme these will be entirely indigenously built. It therefore includes a handful of fully assembled aircraft from Brough/Warton, some more delivered knocked down, and then aircraft delivered as major assemblies, and then more as minor sub assemblies before full local manufacture. At several of these stages, there will be a significant reduction in 'value added' by Brough/Warton, so the unit price for these 'kits' will be lower. I'm not sure that India's price includes the Adour engines, either, since India already builds Adours for its Jags, and may build more for the Hawk (I know, different Adour). Also I believe that the Indian jets will include some local avionics etc. from the start, - another thing to knock off the price tag.
Moreover, while the RAF's Hawks will be full up Hawk LIFTs, like the Aussie and South African super jets, India's Hawk 115Ys will be to a much more modest standard. So yes - alloy wheels and body kits will be included!
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From JDW,
The model will be the Mk115Y, a development of the Mk115. The engine will be the Mk 871.
The first 24 will be built at Brough, the remaining aircraft, and engines, will be assembled under licence by HAL. First aircraft deliveries are expected within 35 months of contract signature, with the final aircraft to be handed over in 2009.
Total value of the contract is Rs80 billion ($1.7 billion). BAE will receive around Rs60 billion, HAL the remaining Rs20 billion.
The contract will also provide for IAF pilots to train on Hawks in the UK as an interim measure.
The model will be the Mk115Y, a development of the Mk115. The engine will be the Mk 871.
The first 24 will be built at Brough, the remaining aircraft, and engines, will be assembled under licence by HAL. First aircraft deliveries are expected within 35 months of contract signature, with the final aircraft to be handed over in 2009.
Total value of the contract is Rs80 billion ($1.7 billion). BAE will receive around Rs60 billion, HAL the remaining Rs20 billion.
The contract will also provide for IAF pilots to train on Hawks in the UK as an interim measure.
Last edited by ORAC; 8th Sep 2003 at 18:30.
Just in case anyone's worried that training IAF pilots in the UK will place undue strain on the RAF's over-stretched Hawk fleet, BAE have bought back six early Hawks and refurbished five of them for just this purpose. They are, I'm told, 'ready and waiting'.
So,
It's about to get a lot noisier in the vicinity of Boscombe, Sting will be miffed!
What mark were the Indonesian jets?
It's about to get a lot noisier in the vicinity of Boscombe, Sting will be miffed!
What mark were the Indonesian jets?
