PVR or NVR....?
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PVR or NVR....?
I have just passed my IPP and am considering banging out. I have requested the info from the adminers 6 weeks ago but have not had any response (no suprise I guess). Due to the my current location I have no access to any APs and was hoping that someone out there may have some advice. Specifically on the differences between PVR and NVR, effects on flying pay, final pension award etc...
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Depends whether you are an Occifer or Airmen. Different rules apply. I can only tell you the airman bits.
PVR- Premature Voluntary Retirement. They decide how long the notice period is. Usually 12 months can be 18 months, sometimes less than 6 months. Up to PMA!
NGR - Notice of General Release. Whereby you give 18 months notice to leave.
PVR is a privilege.
NGR is a right.
As far as NCA flying pay is concerned, it's the same for both. You go down a band.
Resettlement rights and terminal leave are unaffected by both if you have passed the IPP point.
I believe, although do NOT know for sure, but if you are an Occifer and PVR it can affect your pension payable. Airmen’s pension rates and gratuities are unaffected by either method.
PVR- Premature Voluntary Retirement. They decide how long the notice period is. Usually 12 months can be 18 months, sometimes less than 6 months. Up to PMA!
NGR - Notice of General Release. Whereby you give 18 months notice to leave.
PVR is a privilege.
NGR is a right.
As far as NCA flying pay is concerned, it's the same for both. You go down a band.
Resettlement rights and terminal leave are unaffected by both if you have passed the IPP point.
I believe, although do NOT know for sure, but if you are an Occifer and PVR it can affect your pension payable. Airmen’s pension rates and gratuities are unaffected by either method.
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INCORRECT matey
The AP 3392 has been amended to remove all references to pre Oct 89 terms of service.
If you NGR OR PVR you drop a band. This is in line with PMA's view that Flying Pay is retention pay. The AP 3392 is now most specific concerning these matters. The same rules apply for both methods irrespective of reserve rights.
If you don't believe me, look it up. The full set of AP's by the way, are available through the Intranet.
INCORRECT matey
The AP 3392 has been amended to remove all references to pre Oct 89 terms of service.
If you NGR OR PVR you drop a band. This is in line with PMA's view that Flying Pay is retention pay. The AP 3392 is now most specific concerning these matters. The same rules apply for both methods irrespective of reserve rights.
If you don't believe me, look it up. The full set of AP's by the way, are available through the Intranet.
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So how does this affect someone in the PAS - Professional Aviator Scheme. No Flying Pay band is in force for those types, just a 'Years in Scheme'. If you PVR, will you drop to the next lower pay scale??
Has anyone got a reference for this issue?
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Has anyone got a reference for this issue?
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As a scumbag I reached for yellow and black, the first thing SHQ did was to drop my flying pay to the initial rate. This was incorrect on pre 89 terms of service you can only be dropped from the high rate to the middle. For those on post 89 term you will drop a rate. Funny I thought the scribblies would have been helpful and assist me to return to civilian life, nope go for your flying pay. NGR allows you to control your time better as it comes fast, there is also additional time off, which is not a right but at the behest of your boss.
The resettlement folks are just as bad, you get ripped for all your funds for a certificate that is worth cock all. The gist of my advice was have you considered a job in security or we have some interesting driving jobs, mostly as they did not understand what I had been doing for the last 12 yrs. Have a plan and dont rely on the resettlement service, I found diving in Florida for a month a worthy pursuit for resettlement, the service does not cover tips for the hooters girls.
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As a scumbag I reached for yellow and black, the first thing SHQ did was to drop my flying pay to the initial rate. This was incorrect on pre 89 terms of service you can only be dropped from the high rate to the middle. For those on post 89 term you will drop a rate. Funny I thought the scribblies would have been helpful and assist me to return to civilian life, nope go for your flying pay. NGR allows you to control your time better as it comes fast, there is also additional time off, which is not a right but at the behest of your boss.
The resettlement folks are just as bad, you get ripped for all your funds for a certificate that is worth cock all. The gist of my advice was have you considered a job in security or we have some interesting driving jobs, mostly as they did not understand what I had been doing for the last 12 yrs. Have a plan and dont rely on the resettlement service, I found diving in Florida for a month a worthy pursuit for resettlement, the service does not cover tips for the hooters girls.
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I pulled the yellow & Black 2 years ago, exactly on my 22 years. It was explained to me that the difference between NGR and PVR for a NCA on pre 89 terms, that an NGR meant that you had to work 18 months notice without a drop of Flying pay band, but PVR was 12 months with a drop of Flying pay band. The point at which you decide to leave governs whether or not it is a PVR or NGR. As mine was exactly on the day of my 22 year point it was an ambigious point. Therefore I was given the choice. I decided on the PVR option (shorter time to release, less time for the service to mess me about) and as I went up a band on my 22, I dropped a band onto what I had been on the day before, therefore I did not notice the drop in pay. Left last year on my 23 year point.
Now very happy in civvy street, less pressure, don't have to work so hard an earn so much with the pension to top up.
Now very happy in civvy street, less pressure, don't have to work so hard an earn so much with the pension to top up.
Darn glad that the Hooter's girls tips are left uncovered - they look pretty good through those T-shirts..
Another mate found Mediterranean sailing a worthy resettlement option. Hope the diving was good. Which Hooters by the way, Clearwater Beach perhaps?
The resettlement chap at the Secret Oxonian Aerodrome was actually very helpful and my DeskO pretty understanding - so not all resettlement stories are full of woe.
Has the uncertainity regarding PAS PVR terms post the first optional retirement point still not been sorted out? I though that all was supposed to have been made clear by now.
I PVR'd back in Feb but didn't lose out on anything financially...I think it depends rather upon your length of service and the associated terms?
Another mate found Mediterranean sailing a worthy resettlement option. Hope the diving was good. Which Hooters by the way, Clearwater Beach perhaps?
The resettlement chap at the Secret Oxonian Aerodrome was actually very helpful and my DeskO pretty understanding - so not all resettlement stories are full of woe.
Has the uncertainity regarding PAS PVR terms post the first optional retirement point still not been sorted out? I though that all was supposed to have been made clear by now.
I PVR'd back in Feb but didn't lose out on anything financially...I think it depends rather upon your length of service and the associated terms?
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Thanks for all the help so far. Charlie; I like your idea, I am exploring the possibility of a windsurfing instructors course in Hawaii.
A few more details may be of benifit. I am an aircrew officer with 22 years in and the option to stay until 55. However, I do not relish the thought of wandering the corridors of the mess with a faint smell of urine trailing behind me, and the pilots are starting to look terribly young - hence the enquiry!
As a branch officer, I receive spec aircrew allowances, does this mean I would qualify for the equivalent pension?
All advice greatfully received.
Beers.
A few more details may be of benifit. I am an aircrew officer with 22 years in and the option to stay until 55. However, I do not relish the thought of wandering the corridors of the mess with a faint smell of urine trailing behind me, and the pilots are starting to look terribly young - hence the enquiry!
As a branch officer, I receive spec aircrew allowances, does this mean I would qualify for the equivalent pension?
All advice greatfully received.
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Beware the wrath of PMA
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I wish you luck with your windsurfing school, but don't be too hasty. Have you considered opening a Tim Hortons or a Subway outside one of the RAF Stns in Scotland. I can think of at least one base that could do with some good coffee for aircrew going in to flt plan during the night hours. Only problem of course is that our ginger-haired, freckly friends in Scotland are likely to shy away from anything healthy like Subway.
Joking apart and assuming you are currently serving on exchange, watch out for the jealous and vindictive response from PMA when they realise that you want to jump ship following an exchange tour. Count yourself lucky that you are a Branch Officer otherwise OC GD at Mount Pleasant would be beckoning.
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I wish you luck with your windsurfing school, but don't be too hasty. Have you considered opening a Tim Hortons or a Subway outside one of the RAF Stns in Scotland. I can think of at least one base that could do with some good coffee for aircrew going in to flt plan during the night hours. Only problem of course is that our ginger-haired, freckly friends in Scotland are likely to shy away from anything healthy like Subway.
Joking apart and assuming you are currently serving on exchange, watch out for the jealous and vindictive response from PMA when they realise that you want to jump ship following an exchange tour. Count yourself lucky that you are a Branch Officer otherwise OC GD at Mount Pleasant would be beckoning.
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Ah Tim Hortons !!! Mmmmmmm !! Or you could open a Robins ?!?!
Apple fritters !!!!!!
How bout a DQ ? Brownie Earthquakes and Treatza Pizza !!!
As for Subway I`ll have a turkey sub on Italian with swiss cheese and honey mustard dressing !
Have I gone off the topic at all
Apple fritters !!!!!!
How bout a DQ ? Brownie Earthquakes and Treatza Pizza !!!
As for Subway I`ll have a turkey sub on Italian with swiss cheese and honey mustard dressing !
Have I gone off the topic at all
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Hmmmm, Subway in Scotland. Of course you would have to plunge said sub into a vat of artery clogging lard before serving it. Alternatively, fill it with mashed sheeps bowels, lips and niagra falls, remove anything with a resemblance to veggies, call it a haggis sub...oh and then plunge it into a vat of artery clogging lard! You can only imagine the service you would receive from the Buckie girls!?
As for the PMA issue, I can see some rather firm navigation of the old windward passage coming my way .....unless I time it right!!
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Hmmmm, Subway in Scotland. Of course you would have to plunge said sub into a vat of artery clogging lard before serving it. Alternatively, fill it with mashed sheeps bowels, lips and niagra falls, remove anything with a resemblance to veggies, call it a haggis sub...oh and then plunge it into a vat of artery clogging lard! You can only imagine the service you would receive from the Buckie girls!?
As for the PMA issue, I can see some rather firm navigation of the old windward passage coming my way .....unless I time it right!!
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Sorry to veer off thread but almost relevant,
- Is Hooters franchised?
- Does anyone hold the UK franchise?
- Would anyone come and buy my wings and beer if there was a Hooters in Wooty B, Carterslum, St Andrews etc?
- Would my gratuity buy a franchise?
- Could I do all my own recruiting ?
- Mmmm, uhh, uhhh, Nghh, ohh, ahh!!!!!,
-Sorry, back, now where was I, ah must go and see resettlement peeps with top plan - need to spend last month in blue on recruiting course at University of Hooters, I'm sure they'll understand!!
- Is Hooters franchised?
- Does anyone hold the UK franchise?
- Would anyone come and buy my wings and beer if there was a Hooters in Wooty B, Carterslum, St Andrews etc?
- Would my gratuity buy a franchise?
- Could I do all my own recruiting ?
- Mmmm, uhh, uhhh, Nghh, ohh, ahh!!!!!,
-Sorry, back, now where was I, ah must go and see resettlement peeps with top plan - need to spend last month in blue on recruiting course at University of Hooters, I'm sure they'll understand!!
The only Hooters in the UK is in Nottingham..........apparently
We were once surfing the web at Base Ops of some Spam place we'd landed at to try to find a restaurant. We were told by the android behind the ops desk that the PC-police considered the Hooters site ( www.hooters.com ) as 'inappropriate' as it 'encourages sexism amongst military personnel'...........
So, of course, we just replied, "We're British and don't worry about such stupidity - we're just looking for somewhere to eat. Good bye!".
Would a Hooters franchise work in Cartoontown, WootyB or Standrews?? I doubt it - because the franchise rules are too strict. But if you were really keen and had enough dosh...... http://www.hooters.com/company/franchising/
We were once surfing the web at Base Ops of some Spam place we'd landed at to try to find a restaurant. We were told by the android behind the ops desk that the PC-police considered the Hooters site ( www.hooters.com ) as 'inappropriate' as it 'encourages sexism amongst military personnel'...........
So, of course, we just replied, "We're British and don't worry about such stupidity - we're just looking for somewhere to eat. Good bye!".
Would a Hooters franchise work in Cartoontown, WootyB or Standrews?? I doubt it - because the franchise rules are too strict. But if you were really keen and had enough dosh...... http://www.hooters.com/company/franchising/
