true
 

exactly btc,a300man is well informed and speaks with wisdom and the facts,he knows what he is talking about,QR has such great potential,i hope somebody in high places realises this xxM.

Jet4hire
 

I work in Europe at this stage on the A310/300-600. Don't really want to mention which company.

May apply for Qatar Airways later and don't think it is wise to show who I am considering what i have seen on Pprune.

My opinion is though "take it or leave it" nobody is forced to stay whereever they work. Slavery has been abandoned for quite some time now.

Cheers

Africanhope:

Slavery may have been abolished in Africa, but not in Qatar.

QR expat staff (non-flying anyway) have had no salary increase for years. Particularly true of the ones from the Indian sub-continent. It is virtual slavery as no-one complains for fear of being fired (which means they immediately have to leave the country)and none want to go back to the ISC.

As an expat you cannot leave the country without an exit permit which you have to obtain from your employee. So if you suddenly decide at the weekend that you would like to jump on an aeroplane and go to DXB you can't ... unless you've planned ahead.

I liken it to house arrest!

wise words as always goldstone:ok:

I spent two years there on the 727's It was ok @first but after 6months been there dun that etc. rent, housing,schooling etc.
whats that no chance. if you need the type rating and they accept you go for it but dont stay to long. can be like a prison,need to ask permission to leave the country and get an "Exit Permit" Go to muscat,Dubai, or Abu dabi, apply to Emirates Fantastic! you get where Im coming from?!!

yeah the exit permit thing stank, but in the old days you could get it sorted out fairly quickly, then it all went pear shaped...

i once got an exit permit and they'd put DXB instead of LHR!!

(727 man looking for colsy by the way...any ideas)

That's wise Africanhope! but Goldstone is also correct!
 

but you are right! hope
nobody is forced to be here or there!
cheers
:cool:

???
 

Exactly,nobody is really forced to stay in QR,which is why the company is totally up the creek,most of the good people leave.

There is, of course, something very rare called a, wait for it......multiple exit permit.....very rare of course because your freind and mine won't permit hardly anybody to have one (I never met anybody...even the regular travellers...who had one)...other people in other non-QR companies had them though!

On a slightly different note, I met someone today who works for one of the worlds major players (but based in ME) who could only laugh when AAB's name was mentioned...didnt really have anything good to say about him or QR......such is the reputation of the man throughout the industry (Those that have ever heard of him that is!)

A300man why dont you PM me your private numbers so that I could ask you those what you call 'questions of sensitive nature" in private?

great to see the topics hotting up again...at last!!!

Yep, isn't it great how the threads about QR always provoke the most interest and the highest level of negative feedback about an airline.

AAB must be the most loathed CEO of any airline in the world ... from the point of view of the staff. Amazing how one man can attract so much hatred. Undoubtedly prides himself on how much negative comment he receives.

I'm sure he reads this stuff. Any normal person would probably wonder if there wasn't something about his management style that needed changing. But then I guess he doesn't fall into the category of "normal person" as you and I know it.

you got that right!
 

But, you guys all we are doing by posting negative stuff and whining about the company we fly for!!! it also reflects on ourselves!!!

There was a guy a few weeks a go... who had everybodies attention by whining about personal issues such the Ritz and I noticed that every body was replying to his posts including my self, but then I realized, that what he was trying to do it was taking us all for a bunch of fools!!! well, I had an idea of who this character was?? and during a layover in Kuala Lumpur having a drink (won't mentioned any names) the guy I mentioned told me that he was disappointed of the pilots interest and creativity in writing a good interesting thread and that how easy it was to get everybodies attention by posting non sense "bull" and all the negative stuff and that unfortunately Pilots will read, and still will get their replies by colleagues whom instead of concentraiting in other issues "like they do in other forums" in this webpage will prefere to read BS than .....discuss good topics!

I have related some of his comments to what I read on his posts and I found out that the guy was totaly the opposite from the stories he wrote. He had a very nice personality and he is a great and talent looking guy and an excellent guy to get along with...!

The point that I am trying to make here!!! is that no matter how bad we talked about QR or about Mr. ABB things will continue to roll.... and never will change for as long as we fly here! But I believe that if we stop making him feel important and if we stop writing negative issues that immplicate him!!! his popularity may decay and perhaps he might change some day??? the guy is not all that bad. I have spoken with him. he just have differences in the filosophy and in the way the airline will operate from the rest of the world. but the true is that if we want to be here!! we got to deal with them!!! I suggest that we should ignore all the BS and concentrate in posts that show a more productive and learning aspect such our flying experiences or helping ourselves with our talent and to learn how to cope with the adversity!


By the way the QR movie is great!!!! congratulations to all of you guys who made it possible! too bad they didn't include the good fellows from the A300. Few guys were call "retard"-ed more than once and two of the Caps. Briefings were also very poorly to much non sense info and bad cordination with three LCL caps! Is this one of the reasons why we should be proud??? No way....!!!

Sincerely,
:cool:

Qatar F/O hiring.
 

Are there still leaving pilots in numbers every month, and how is the new hiring going, any chance for a low houred type rated pilot getting onboard not fulfilling their requirements.

keep on trying my son.....keep on trying!

Jet4hire,

I totally agree with you and your posting is reflecting my thoughts exactly ....I have been trying to bring these points to attention but....

It seems to me that most of the people reading these forums are only interested in cheap stories and gossip!

Common guys, if yiy critisize the company the least thing you could do is mentioning the positive points as well and maybe, just maybe, you could throw in a suggestion as well!

We have been doing that now a while internally and people will see the resuls very soon.....

Have some balls guys!

Is it really all that bad???
 

Well I have thought of posting for some time and have held back. However I thought I would share some of my thoughts.

I spent a few months there with QR in 2002. In short I will say that I enjoyed my experience there and was very torn even when I left there. (I was given an opportunity with a sucessful airline in my home country.)

The flying and the variety in areas of operation is truly great. The equipment is very nice and well maintained. The pilots in the training department I found to be professional and very well suited to their task. The inflight service is much better than what I have here at home.


Why did I leave you may ask? That was a very difficult decision. One has to weigh all the options and the cards dealt and play them in a way you think best at the time. In retrospect with the benefit of hind sight I may well still be there if that was an option.

All I can say is that one has to accept that QR is Qatar's Airline. We are just the hired help. Live by the terms of the contract and let them run their airline. If you find something that suits you better then leave. No one holds a gun to your head to stay. I gave proper notice and although I was not there long, I appreciated the dignity and respect shown towards me by management in operations.


Doha is not a bad place. Perhaps the renumeration package could be improved as far as housing and education is concerned. That would make a big difference. Scheduling was strained due to expansion. I am sure this is still true today also.

Life is what you make of it. And happiness is an inside job. Not exclusively dependant on your surroundings. I know Qatar is not Disneyland, but it is a safe place to be. It offers diversity of cultural background that is interesting. There are in fact worse places to be on this planet.

As for ABB. Well who cares. The man has a job to do and we as pilots have a job to do also. So just do your job and enjoy the experience for as long as it suits you to be there. That holds true for any airline job in the world as far as I can tell.

Anyways, This may not be what some would like to hear. But if anyone is considering QR. I can tell you that it did not work for me at the time. But I did enjoy myself, and I actually miss many aspects of the place now. I would even consider returning if that was an option.

It may go differently for you. If it seems to be the right thing for you to do, then go and try it. You may last longer there than I did.

:D

Qatari 515 & qnc3guy
 

Cheers to that my friends!

If you! realized how many topics we have to write and read about in this industry???

We'll never finish but I believe is worth to give it a try!!! lets all discuss professional issues that would make us more productive and more tolerant! so we can learn to tolarate one and other.
to make us more prudent!!

BEE Safe!!! &
Happy Landings!!!!

CRM of the day??? Who should abort the take off PNF or PF?



:ok:

Well it was good to see someone out there who feels that same way I do about working here at QA..

it's a good place to work and live, just depends on how you prefer to look at things..

do the job the way they want it done, after all they sign the checks, live here with respect that your an Ex-Pat and not a local, plan to take more than 1 day to do something that should only take a few hours, and try your hardest to keep out of the round-abouts while driving,, do all those things and life is really good here,,

I certainly would not concider moving to another airline right now, as this is a growing airline with great oppertunitys on the horizon.. most of the guys on the line are good chaps and theres good fun to be had.

I can only assume that some guys just need something to complain about, as most of the things I read are not completely true

Capt Krunch...

The flight deck generally never had any probs with AAB, apart from the odd occasion.

CC live in constant threat and the "management" in there have just promoted a bunch of inexperienced crew to checker level!

Doha is a nice place to live and the airline fun with some good people there. I hope they do well.

Personally, I am expressing an opinion... have been there, seen it and done it until fairly recently! What I saw was potential...but it still remains, and I know he will be there forever, is that without AAB, the airline would function more professionally...again I cannot say much from a Flight Deck point of view.

It just seems that nothing changes...

It takes me a day to solve one thing...
 

But, I at least I have something to enjoy doing !!! its a challange compare to doing things back home, I still enjoyed though regardless of the time I spend in the office and the staff travel and the non-sense issues I heard or read from QR management my life is run by me and no body else!!!! for as long as I am here I will enjoy and go the caribbean way don't worry be happy!!!

Cheers............... and fly for fun and work for the heck of it!!!! to support all your señoritas!! :cool:

WOW!!!:bored:

What an exhaustive read to this point.

Typical of most airline FDC who perceive their CEOs as plonkers. However, I can't think of a successful airline run by FDC despite our uncanny belief that we know best how to run things. Funny, that. But then most FDC also think they have the right solutions for almost anything.

Ours is to enjoy the task we so readily seek to occupy our time with and get paid for doing it. Right? Isn't that why we fly???

A good number of you in this thread should try to imagine a world in which you are not employed. You are not flying, full stop! You can't stay current and you can't afford to stay current and the further you go out of recency the less chance you have to land a job flying aeroplanes. Which I can assure you, really, really sucks. Perhaps then you will be better able to enjoy QR and the excellent equipment you must surely be operating.

Would it be possible to solicit a middle-of-the-road response from someone presently IN Qatar Airways:confused: regarding the following request for information? (Possibly ex-Royal A310)

Firstly, the middle east is still the middle east. That means Christian foreigners are likely to find numerous differences in life and lifestyle. Which is what the majority of complaints in this thread seem to be about.

So let's cut to the chase.

With the worldwide employment situation for pilots being what it is....how's the work for the A300-600 fleet. I understand it's mostly European destinations and is the compensation package that unrealistic given the state of the economy and cost of expansion? Not to mention the revenue loads/numbers generating dollars for QR to divy up amongst the various slices of the expense 'pie'. It may be a wealthy emirate but airlines everywhere are in agony and some could soon find themselves out-of-business.

How do you get this airline to respond to your application? My time and experience is beyond what they are asking for and I even have (not recently) bags of A300-600 time.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :ok:

No More Ex Sabena ??
 

recently a Belgium 320 F/O left Qatar Airways in a hurry... in doing so he left most of his belongings to and American chap from his starting course, and slipped out of the country with his new bride and with out a sound.. he was good enough to send back his company attire but not before shredding them and putting them in the post, destin for Qatar Airways... a very childish thing to do to say the least... in doing that he has made it extremely difficult for the others from the same Ex national airline to join the airline..

I'm sure this will come back to haunt him one day.. as we all know this is a small industry.. The same would go for his accomplis, the American fellow....

I feel bad for my Sabena colleagues.. as things are difficult enough with out immature under experienced children making things worse.

I also recently recieved reports on this Belgium and American...I agee I.D.W.H this kind of thing makes it harder for guys like us who like it here, are willing to go the distance and want to stick around..
I would assume, due to the fact we are growing at such an alarming rate, it would leave some room for the bad apples such as them to creep in un detected..

lesson learned.

Capt.Krunch
 

Capt. Krunch,

Please check your PM's.

Regards,

Dechi

I find it disgusting the way this Belgian left!!!!

The least thing you could do is show the company some respect! For all sake, they hired him and gave him a job! I can understand that someone is unhappy somewhere but that does not want to say that you have to behave like an a***hole!

And he planned it very well because a week prior his cowardish run he shipped stuff to belgium!!

The biggest problem now indeed is that he virtually ruined all the chances for Belgians ( ex sabena) to be hired by QR! This was confirmed to me recently! A lot of guys where waiting for an answer from QR, ab initios as well. I guess there dreams just dissappeared!!!
For all the rest of us here, all nationalities, this will probably mean that we will loose certain priviliges! Remember that the multi exit visa is a very big privilege granted to us by QR!!!!!!!
Allready they are looking into a plan where they will not pay your salary untill the time you report back in Doha comming from leave!!! Thanks B.M.!!!!!!!!

Off course this guy now is employed safely by LTE !!!!! A contract he could not refuse! Very nice! Next time use your minimalistic brain you egocentric bastard!

Concerning the american accomplice, I would not worry too much. ...he is well connected!


It is very easy to jump ship guys...But plse think about all the others around you! They will pay heavily for what you did!

My only relief: this is a very small world and what goes around comes around! I hope he will get what he deserves!

:*

Why did he jump?

As well as Europe, the A300's also fly Asian and sub-continental routes, not to mention North Africa and dense Gulf sectors.

Most operations now in two classes on these machines.

jumping ship is the only way to leave QR...purely from a Cabin Crew point of view!

Qatari 515
 

Dear Qatari 515,

Please check your Private Messages.

Regards,

Dechi

Qatari515
 

One would think that the American might be well connected,, but one thing rings true.. if your Deputy Chief Pilot found out he was the one being played.. well then he would not be so well connected anymore.. would he..?

Anyone who would support actions that were taken up by Ben the Belgium should also recieve the same punishment as the one he had assisited... as you said.. the actions of both persons will contribue to making this harder for all you..

I feel very bad for all those that are trying to make it work, only to be shafted by a pair of selfish Idiots..

one can only hope that the Ban on hireing Sabena pilots due to these idiots will not be indefinate..
everyone has a family to feed.

Hope things get better for you all at QA

Job's at Qatar?
 

Just wondering, is their anybody out their, with contacts in the HRM dept. I sent my CV about three months ago, no answer up till now? Not from Belguim, by the way! I am not type rated on any of their current aircraft, so maybe that's a problem? TT 17,000 wide body..but no Airbus experience.::cool:

Think about it .... if Qatar Airways was run as a decent, caring company that treated its employees with a reasonable degree of respect, then people would not need to "jump ship" in this way. When it's run like a prison camp it's not surprising that inmates have to hatch escape plans.

I'm sure QR will make the mature decision to ban all ex Sabena pilots, all Belgian nationals, and possibly all French or Dutch speaking pilots.
Shut up guys (and gals); remember you are a privileged lot. QR has even given you a multiple exit visa!!!!

While the young man in question may have shown a less than desirable behavior, I often find the following to be true:
When you treat people like idiots, they react like idiots.

And in Knoteetingham, :E :E :E :E is never to blame.

Hello everybody!!!!
 

Guys we don't have to be to hard on the poor man! I heard one of the TRE was a good friend of him. Also they were after him for personal reasons something that had to do with a female CSD and he knew something was coming! Not to excuse him but I believe that before we judge somebody we must all know all the facts.

Cheers and happy landings!!!:O

Qatar
 

I wonder if 'ManaAdanSystem' is jealous of pilots from the Benelux? I know, that one or two may have been out of order , but to put every national of those countries into the same pot is abusrd. Do you or don't you know, if QR need's pilots or not?
I am sure that we not only qualify but probaly have better work ethics than yourself? After all, you are the one's, whom are looking for flight crew? :rolleyes:

MPH
I think you misunderstood his point.
Calm down!

Thanks laury:ok:

I was warned about using irony on the net, now I know why.;)

MPH, work ethics? :ugh: Hope you don't plan to bring that up if you go for an interview...

ManaAdaSystem
 

ManaAdaSystem
In hindsight, my apologies if I sounded ofensive in my comments to your Benelux bashing. I imagine your reasoning in complaining about the Belguim chap, could or was justified. But, please don't put everyone from these countries,into the the same pot! I imagine the Belguim guy had a reason, to do what he did. His way of leaving, obviously was not the way to go about things?
My apologies, once again...don't worry, I wont talk about ethics in my interview...if I ever am granted one!:O

MPH
Did I get it wrong?

Your post suggests that pilots from Belgium are somehow superior to pilots from other countries and that Belgian pilots are doing QR a favour by making themselves available? :bored:
My apology if I've gotten it wrong, but

Pullllleeeeeeese!!!! :confused:

Might I suggest you tone it down a little bit for there are talented pilots out here from all walks of life, many different cultures with varying degrees of experience and ability which QR could well put to good use.

As a TRI I can assure you there is no one country, culture, race or religion with a monopoly on 'smarts'.

The manner in which this young lad seems to have left QR is certainly not new in the Middle East and it will undoubtedly happen again. The fact that he may be Belgian is of no consequence. The fact that he may be Belgian will undoubtedly make the Qataris 'gun-shy' when it comes to Belgian applicants.
To suggest discrimination on the basis of ones nationality henseforth in the hiring practices at QR isn't outside the realm of possibility, is it?

I suppose by saying so, it just makes YOU feel better. :{

Not really! Just thought that the comment: 'QR should make a mature decision to ban all Sabena, all Belguim nationals and possibly all French or Dutch speaking pilots', a bit over the top? I wonder, if that includes 'french speaking Canadian's'?
By the way you probably misinterpreted my apology. My apology to ManaAdaSystem was sincere.:hmm: