Originally Posted by 4LIFE (Post 11526904)

Thank you for the reply. I appreciate it.
Did u go through this program? Can I ask message you on some other platform, please?
I've been told by CAE representative that so far there's no a deadline for applications. However, there were a lot of questions that I didn't get a direct answer to. Like, what is the timeline, are there set dates for the program start, what is the success rate of applicants, that made it to FlyDubai after this program (this one is especiallyimportant to know for me, because I'm not into gambling), what are the reasons for rejections, etc.
I would appreciate if someone could share their experience here or in DMs.
Thanks!

Originally Posted by cruisepower (Post 11527112)

Yes inbox me.

For the benfit of othrs the Success rate is very high, as long as you don't screw up the type rating then you are guaranteed a job assuming you pass the medical test and meet visa requirements.

This is why I recommend do a through medical test, check your visa eligibility, background checks and be confident that you can give 100% of your time and energy in passing the type rating before investing a huge sum of money. They are not looking for astronauts just a decent proficient pilot with good attitude.

Originally Posted by Knamvar89 (Post 11528026)

Does anyone know the entry requirements for the age maximum 35 years what it means?

I will turn 35 in February and Im looking to apply next year

Kind Regards,
Cameron

Originally Posted by souabnim (Post 11392189)

Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:







Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member :) )



Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.


3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!



4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.


5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!



Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.

Originally Posted by ssongyj (Post 11398243)

Hello, Souabnim.
Thanks a lot for your info. It was what I was looking exactly.
I have some more question about the assessments.
Could you tell me either your email or whats app please?

Originally Posted by olima737 (Post 11554564)

hello
it's possible to give me more information about day 1 and day2

Originally Posted by souabnim (Post 11392189)

Hello Everyone!

I did the second officer program assessment in 2021 and passed. I decided to delay the start of the Type rating as Fly Dubai recently increased the Max age limit from 29 to 35 years old.

Here are the details:

Currently when you open the Flydubai Pilot, second officer page and click on apply now, it will direct you to CAE's website but no clear indication of how to get started. I recommend you email the following person:

To: Nigina Surkova

nigina.surkova @ cae.com

AND

CC: Deborah Alberetulage

deborah.alberetulage @ cae.com


and in the email subject type: Fly Dubai Second Officer Program.

In the email, mention your name and that you would like to apply for the program and request the requirements so you can submit your application.

____________________________________________________________ __________________________

Here is how this program works:

1)This program requires that you have:

CPL ME/IR from any ICAO state with 220 total hours(recently updated, previously was 250 hours).
1st Class Medical
MCC Course ( JOC not required because it's part of the type rating)(recently removed from the page, maybe a typo, but definitely still required)
ATPL theory( this can also be done after the type rating for those without this requirement)- Those with EASA.UK CAA or other ATPL credit will still be required to redo it with Fujairah Aviation Academy9 2-3 Months and $5000)

So you will require the MCC to apply! Preferably on a 737 for your own benefit in the assessment but not required.

2) After submitting your application, you will be invited for the assessment. The assessment is done in Dubai, and is a 2 day assessment. They will charge you $1000 for the assessment costs after you confirm the dates you can attend.

Day 1: Assessment consists of a simulator assessment on the B737NG Full motion Level D simulator ( See comments below for sim assessment description) - In CAE simulator facility, Dubai Silicon Oasis.
Day 2: Compass test and Psychometric test(all done on a computer) in Emirates Airlines headquarters. CAE is owned by Emirates and they conduct the assessment, so do not go for the Fly Dubai assessment package. As per the following website, which is used for the preparation of this day ( latest pilot job- Emirates assessment, sorry had to remove the URL to post, new member :) )

Results of the assessment are revealed within a week or 2 weeks.

3) When the assessment is successful, you can schedule your 737 Type Rating with CAE. They want you to begin the Type rating within 1 year.

Type rating is about 2 months long(56 days) and costs $33,000. 50% has to be paid for seat confirmation when you agree on a date and the other 50% 10 working days before beginning the type rating.

At the end of the type rating, during the exam, two examiners will be present. One examiner representing CAE for the Type Rating endorsement, and a second examiner representing Fly Dubai for the second officer assessment.

At the end of the simulator session, they will inform you if both are a pass!

4) This step I don't know a lot about, but this is what I know so far: After successfully passing the Type rating, Fly Dubai will invite you for another formal interview, and at this point they might have a few additional requirements before you start with them as a co-pilot(second officer).

For example: They might require you to do Base training on a 737 depending on license requirements for type rating endorsement. For example EASA license holders will have to complete this in Europe on their expense.

5) When you begin with FlyDubai, you will have to complete 30 sectors before you are released in the line. During this time the salary might only be 12,000dhs a month total, but this phase should not take long. you can complete 4 sectors in 1 day flying in the Gulf region.

When fully released, the salary becomes 20,000dhs a month TOTAL, until you complete 1500 hours on the 737, thats when your ATPL will be unfozen and pay will increase to 40,000 dhs a month(including housing and flying pay). It takes 2 to 2.5 years to complete these hours.

Sim description:

2-day CAE Assessment
Day 1: CAE Dubai Silicon Oasis Branch (Simulator Assessment B737NG Level D):

 Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!

Cost Planning : $1k for the assessment + $33k for the Type rating (Does not include housing, food) + $5k for GCAA ATPL theory + Base training(6 Touch and Gos) if your license requires it for license validation into a UAE GCAA license.

Note: The notes above were sent as an email to a friend that inquired on the program, hope it's useful for everyone, and excuse any mistakes.

Originally Posted by olima737 (Post 11555613)

Hello
I have some questions about the assessment plz need more details thank you

Originally Posted by Pilot_Material (Post 11574661)

do we need to be 737 type rated already before applying? Because you said aptitude test would be on 737 level D sim.

Originally Posted by olima737 (Post 11575376)

NOT QUALIFIED

Originally Posted by Pilot_Material (Post 11575386)

sorry still confused, I am doing my atpl papers currently and planning to apply for the program but I don’t have an 737 type rating.

Originally Posted by Mohammedd777 (Post 11582475)

olima737

Sure, Its a 2-days assessement. It was pretty chill as long you are prepared well you will be fine.

Regarding Compass and Psychometric test, not hard at all just prepare for it from Latest PilotJobs website, Purchase the Emirates assessment package Do all the tests there couple times and you will be ready.

Regarding the Simulator check: same as this, you don't need to be an expert in B737, if you did MCC, just do like what you did there like Callouts and monitoring, etc.. so prepare well and be ready

Simulator Assessment Brief (PowerPoint), as sent prior by email. This gives
chance for questions on the Simulator assessment to be answered.
 Draw is made to divide everyone into groups of 2, if you are not in the first
group then you’ll have to wait in the pilot lounge and about 1 hour and 45
mins after first group started you can head to the Sim location and wait.
 Simulator profile:
o Takeoff Off from OOMS Rwy 08L, winds 353/13 knots, 500ft OVC
1000M visibility.
 No FD but Auto Throttles/Thrust allowed(Discretion of the
Instructor)
 Flaps 15 Takeoff
 FMC and over head panel set by the Instructor
o Intercept Radial 090 outbound from MCT VOR.
 If told to intercept radial inbound, then set the reciprocal!
o Climb at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m.
o Descend at 250 KIAS and 1000ft/m
o Steep Turns, 180 degrees left and then level and 180 degrees right
at 45 AOB.
o AutoPilot engaged for ILS brief.
 ILS 08L manually flown with FD available: FOLLOW the FD.
o Visual Circuit with CAVOK weather
 1600 feet Flap 5 Takeoff and keeping same flaps till gear
goes down.
 Instructor can allow right circuit if desired.

Notes/Tips:
 Memorize all callouts
 Always trim the aircraft, careful not to run the pitch trim too long!
 Small Power lever movements
 Make all your briefs as thorough as possible.
 You will make mistakes, that’s okay, as long as you show improvement in the simulator and
learning!

Originally Posted by Richard_ (Post 11590281)

has anyone been successful with this programme or know of friends who have completed this programme?

Originally Posted by NocturnalNavigat0r (Post 11599978)

Originally Posted by Ibizaa (Post 11600712)

I’m having the same issues+my license is expired. But I’m holding ICAO.

Originally Posted by cruisepower (Post 11601187)

You need a valid license plus written ATPL subject from your home license. Even if you write the 14 GCAA exams, the 737 rating will be on your home license.

Originally Posted by Khaledswilam (Post 11602871)

Hi everybody, anyone completed the program I have few questions I would like to ask.

1-After you complete ur assessment how quick u can start ur type rating

2- after completed the examination with fly Dubai examiner how long you have to wait for the interview with fly Dubai and to start ur line training

3-I’ve read if you have certain experience (hours)you will be exempted from the GCA ATPL exams

I will appreciate your help if anyone can guide me thro.

Originally Posted by thebusdriver1 (Post 11611533)

Hello, anyone with an FAA license I have a few questions,

1.I currently hold an FAA CPL license with a Multi-Engine Instrument Rating; therefore, I should only be working on a 250-hour Ground School for GCAA ATPL tests in 14 theory subjects, correct? Since FAA ATP needs 1500hrs there is no way I can get it.

2.Can I work on the GCAA ATPL ground school + examinations after the assessment and Type Rating, or do I have to complete them first?

3.I have a valid pilot license with IR and do not have an MCC; should I still finish the MCC course before the assessment? If so, which institution does Fly Dubai prefer me to do this through? Can I do this online? (The emails says: Valid Pilot License copy with IR rating / MCC certificate and ATP(L) written exam results (for all licenses))

4.Are there any other special requirements for FAA CPL holders?

5.Also the email says something about base training that is not included in the course which is do be done at candidates own expense: is base training mandatory for everyone and how expensive is it?

Any information regarding this will be very helpful for me, thank you so much!

Originally Posted by cruisepower (Post 11611841)

1. Yes all CPL holders need to do the theory 14 exams.

2. I think the new requirement is to do the exams before the type rating but i am not 100% sure. There were people who did it after the type rating but it should be done before joining flydubai.

3. Yes you need MCC unless you are an ATPL holder. Guys who joined with a full ATPL under this program did not have any of these requirments but for CPL you need the MCC and the 14 exams. You cannot do mcc online you need to do it in a sim and some classroom.

4. Nope, you need to meet their requirement.

5. Base training is only needed if your home country license requires it. For exams FAA licesne doesnt require base training for your type rating but if you are doing it for example on EASA license then you might have to do base training somewhere else for the rating to go in your license.

Originally Posted by thebusdriver1 (Post 11611533)

Hello, anyone with an FAA license I have a few questions,

1.I currently hold an FAA CPL license with a Multi-Engine Instrument Rating; therefore, I should only be working on a 250-hour Ground School for GCAA ATPL tests in 14 theory subjects, correct? Since FAA ATP needs 1500hrs there is no way I can get it.

2.Can I work on the GCAA ATPL ground school + examinations after the assessment and Type Rating, or do I have to complete them first?

3.I have a valid pilot license with IR and do not have an MCC; should I still finish the MCC course before the assessment? If so, which institution does Fly Dubai prefer me to do this through? Can I do this online? (The emails says: Valid Pilot License copy with IR rating / MCC certificate and ATP(L) written exam results (for all licenses))

4.Are there any other special requirements for FAA CPL holders?

5.Also the email says something about base training that is not included in the course which is do be done at candidates own expense: is base training mandatory for everyone and how expensive is it?

Any information regarding this will be very helpful for me, thank you so much!

Originally Posted by thebusdriver1 (Post 11611533)

Hello, anyone with an FAA license I have a few questions,

1.I currently hold an FAA CPL license with a Multi-Engine Instrument Rating; therefore, I should only be working on a 250-hour Ground School for GCAA ATPL tests in 14 theory subjects, correct? Since FAA ATP needs 1500hrs there is no way I can get it.

2.Can I work on the GCAA ATPL ground school + examinations after the assessment and Type Rating, or do I have to complete them first?

3.I have a valid pilot license with IR and do not have an MCC; should I still finish the MCC course before the assessment? If so, which institution does Fly Dubai prefer me to do this through? Can I do this online? (The emails says: Valid Pilot License copy with IR rating / MCC certificate and ATP(L) written exam results (for all licenses))

4.Are there any other special requirements for FAA CPL holders?

5.Also the email says something about base training that is not included in the course which is do be done at candidates own expense: is base training mandatory for everyone and how expensive is it?

Any information regarding this will be very helpful for me, thank you so much!

Originally Posted by Skying (Post 11612067)

​​​Hi, which email address did you use to get a reply? I used the message form on the website but didn't receive any response. Thanks.

Originally Posted by thebusdriver1 (Post 11613838)

Dear Cruisepower,
NEED ANOTHER INFORMATION,

In the last conversation I was told I also need to have a FAA ATP/CTP course/Exam as well. All I have is FAA CPL MEIR and I do not live in USA anymore to finish that course. Travelling to USA just for ATP will cost me a lot. All they require me to have is an ATPL no matter which country and they say I can convert my FAA license to GCAA if that helps. Which do you think is going to be of better value to my career? Getting my endorsements on FAA ATP license or GCAA license should be good enough?

Anyone with information/opinion about this, please help!