EK tablets
 

So, its all gone a bit quiet on the tablet front, anyone any idea whats happening?
Thought the trial period was over and they were supposed to be up and running by now.

Still don't know why they didn't buy the iPad, heard a rumour it was because Apple wouldn't give them a discount.

Trial extended till later this month due to some issues with updates.
I, for myself, am really happy we are not going for IPads but a fully working laptop...

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Heard from a training manager it was postponed another almost 6 months...

Apparently the whole trial an unmitigated disaster.

guys give fleet some time.
Heard from a source they are working very hard on the enhanced v9.0.0 'pilot snack box' project. If only you'd know how long it took them to find a supplier who could deliver boxes in the same !!!!!y brown as the Boeing cockpit. :ok:
Well, that mission has succeeded. Who cares what's in the box... ;)

Heard that they have finally admitted that instead of re-inventing the wheel they should now opt for a proven product like most other airlines that are using tablets...

This whole tablet fiasco typifies EK management.

This whole tablet fiasco typifies EK Mis-management.

There you go Fatty, I fixed it for you.

The iPad LIDO solution works just perfectly if you don't mind not having your GPS position incorporated into the charts.

The best thing is that the Apple product is far more stable and robust than it's counterparts' efforts and the iPas Air is light and handy to maneuver round the centre console when briefing with your colleague.

Personally, I have better things to be doing than updating and fixing bugs on their pile of crap OS and tablet everytime I try to use it. This is where it all started before they tried to fix it with win 10.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9Qo_2I0NvQ

No doubt someone is benefiting greatly from this deal.....Why don't we just put them in the aircraft cause I don't want to cart this useless brick around the world.

Friends using IPADs as EFBs have said it DOES have ship position- but that may be with Jepps rather than LIDO.

There is a huge number of airline and private operators using ipads. They have done leg work, sorted the issues, designed various mountings etc etc etc etc.

EK has to reinvent the wheel - for whatever reason.

Get creative. Most pilots have ipads. If they went with ipads they could save a bundle in costs. Pass half the saving back to the pilot if he uses his own device. Both sides are happy, save money with the added advantage that people take better care of their own belongings.

Well I can tell you this. 6 years ago I was off on a medical problem for 3 months. I was called into the office to work on a 'special project' overseen by EGT. It was 'trouble shooting' the new onboard laptops, EFBs, whatever you want to call them. After 2 months, of what I thought was useless work ( my opinion only), we were told 'thanks, we will send you feed back' .....never heard another word. The reinvention of the wheel has been going on for years. ( this is only my own opinion)

I'm sure there are younger new joiners who have never seen paper charts on a flight deck before. My last operator with 30 year old boeings had iPad EFB.

You must be joking, or fasting .....

Just try to hit the little crappy button for the issuing date on top of the screen with only the slightest light turbulence, and you're in for a go at a hole in one!

.... and by the way, try reading the transition lvl/alt on a very simple and ordinary star page ....

This system is as unusable as the little manager who got mad at Apple, because they put him back under the pathetic ME stone he belongs. :ugh:

You are talking about the Class 2 we have installed, which is an EK bespoke solution. The previous poster is probably talking about the Boeing solution.

Lido does have aircraft position - it can be figured out by the iPad itself from GPS or can be fed from the FMC using a cable.

Either way, I've been using it for some time and it works brilliantly.

Even in the cruise?

Just out of curiosity,
how does management know that one was hanging the laptop in the window?

Is there something written that forbids laptop from being hung on handle?

Maybe something like O.M-A 8.1.13 saying.. EFB must be stowed for Takeoff and Landing..?

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Havent seen a efb hanging on the jingly handle during t/o and landing.

Everything in between I have.

Eh? Are you telling me that there are brain donors that will leave the laptop still hung on the window opening handle for take off and landing? If so, maybe a warning letter is worth it, but better yet a whack on the head for being stupid.

That aside, what is it about our colleagues who I shall name the "special squad", these are the individuals who like to report or chastise their fellow co-workers on the flimsiest of pretexts, more often than not hiding behind an asinine rule or regulation that was written by stupid people so that equally stupid people can engage in stupid rule bound behaviour.

I despair that there are people with so little between their ears that they think leaving a 1kg metallic missile unsecured on a handle is an acceptable act, but I'm equally appalled that there would be such a lack of communication and CRM skills that would lead to a warning letter being issued.

Never seen even the most special individual attempt to hang it from the handle prior to take off.

About a year ago I did read an ASR referring to the window handle coming unlatched inflight resulting in an EICAS msg, this could be the only way I could think of a warning letter being issued.

Couldn't imagine anyone being dumb enough to write up a colleague for it.

Fleet why didn't you just ask him to take it off .....ah I duno

Would be nice if our management were considering a U turn and going for a tried and tested product like the iPad.
But that would mean admitting a mistake, with perceived loss of face.

Nah, thats not going to happen!

Kipper, As you know, mistakes are never made here. Everything is perfect. If something is amiss, it will just disappear and forgotten. Admitting mistakes would invite reports of other aspects of the operation that are skewed.

Are there many aircraft with only a laptop and not a EFB?

I'd say the majority of the 777 only has laptops (Class 1)

It is striking that even with the "everything is perfect" mentality that the laptop, read brick, that we have was and still is the unit of choice!
It is ridiculously heavy, ergonomically clumsy and doesn't stow cleanly or securely anywhere where it is easily accessible.
For those hanging out for a new tablet, don't hold your breath, it doesn't take the brains of an Archbishop to see that the piggy bank is empty......................:eek:

So what tablets are being used? made by boeing? Delta was starting to use Surface 2, but it sucked.


I would say Ipad mini would have been the best choice

You guys need to start moaning about having a fire bag for the dam thing if it starts running away. Least on the A380 you can stick it in the shower
Such moaning is happening elsewhere

Like the one we already have? That's kept in the same cupboard as the laptops?

"Look out Tablet"

Finally a solution to the Microsoft Surface tablets forced upon us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyhjUFcXgo0

Yup, that'll do it. Since we are responsible for the damn thing (on pain of salary deduction should anything happen to it) it seems to me the safest place for it is at home, in its box.

Has anybody found it useful? I haven't collected mine yet.

When you try to use it on an unsecured network, like JNB, that's pretty much going to be the reaction.

Picked mine up last week, finally got it out of the box, did the Ahlan first connection thing and then left it alone updating for a day :ugh::ugh::ugh:

So far, the apps freeze and become unresponsive, everything takes an age to load up. Had to restart it 3 times the other day on a sort turnaround. Best thing for it is a door stop. POS.

SyB :{:{

Same as Sheik

My record is six reboots to get it to unfreeze.

When it works without freeze (rarely) - it's handy.

Got a note to pick mine up. First time it does that crashing and rebooting sh1t I'm taking it back.

Yep, giving mine back and anytime a new one freezes will keep on giving it back.