All I wanted was what was promised when I joined.

Xi, at no time did I ever use the words "shut up" or even ask people to not post. What I am asking is for people to post sensible, credible facts instead of senseless drivel because they are not happy with their lot. It is exactly a post like yours that I am asking people not to post, because it is just another dig at the company with the same old, same old bitching when an aircraft crashed killing all onboard. Is change happening, nobody knows yet so there is no credibility saying anything until we know. Try to be constructive at this time instead of writing destructive posts, perhaps a little maturity or forethought would be appropriate.

SOPS, I couldn't agree more.

J

So, Jack,

Do I understand from your posting that, as an FZ plane has crashed you think it is wrong to air other grieveances with EK?

I am really trying hard to understand the point you are trying to make but I just can't see it. Xiamen's post seems very factual to me. Which of his facts do you take issue with?

Maybe my feeling fatigued is making me a bit clueless.

Jack,
Xi isn't even in the company. Nor are a lot of the writers here. Some are ex company, and from the way they are emotional (in a jilted ex wife kind of way) it would seem they were badly done by the company. Others complain that things changed, but if they joined after 2003, they would be wrong. Factoring, lack of leave, compressed rosters etc have happened since then. Just not to their fleet or them until recently.
In freedom, I don't know what happened to you. I have no doubt it was bad. But it's time to move on. Life is too short to waste on these bouncy castle muppets.

As much as it pains me to admit ...

X hit the nail on the head with his list

Throw in the fact that my US ALT destination was removed due no EK service a couple of years after I got here and now it's Y firm J SAvail on two class for skippers for ALTs.....and the 78 hrs...pfft

You cannot change people's contract with the stroke of an email and expect anything but anger.

Jack I admire your optimism but HD doesn't run this show.

I am surprised at how strongly you defend your position jack. Don't try so hard, it stinks something bad.

Hi joe, thanks for your constructive input. I do hope anyone else who continues to act and write like you have, at such times as these, with the usual PPRuNe "banter", realises that they are adding to the total value of our "primadonna" status.

I too have issues and gripes with changes to my contract for almost the last 2 decades. I only asked if pilots could show a little maturity here just recently, but clearly I am mistaken and there is little evidence being displayed as to why the company should bother with the likes of these few. I am glad to say that a few posters here give me hope that all is not lost in these forums. I shall not rise and feel the need to reply to the fools, so I will only reply in this thread if there is an intelligent point made.

Please show our profession in good light until we know the true cause of the FD accident in the report, preliminary or otherwise.

The problem with stupid people, they don't realise they are stupid as displayed in some previous posts here. I just hope these people are desktop pilots and not people with real jobs and peoples lives in their hands.


J (over and out)

Jack S

Every one of your posts include offensive words and thinly veiled warnings. Must be the experience of drafting voice warning e-mails to pilots.

As I said, no point in countering lies with more lies. But I can't see a single factual error with Xi's list.

donpizmeov has an eternal mantra of how it has always been the way it is. (It's his thinly-disguised bitterness about his feeling victimized by A330 rosters for so long, now manifesting as schadenfreude that the B777 rosters are !!!!e. We get it.)

Thing is, yes, certain things have gone on forever. But it's either disingenuous or ignorant to claim that it hasn't deteriorated sharply over recent years. Starting roughly with the GFC and exacerbated by the MEL accident. Raising productivity thresholds and reducing/removing credit for leave and training have most certainly occurred far more recently than 2003, to name only two of the more significant examples.

I state these things because if we're going to blather on about "showing our profession in a good light" we could at least be factually accurate. I really don't understand the desire to downplay the truth by those who claim to be affected by it.

What nonsense. EK doesn't "allow" PPRune. The forum is subject to UK laws, not UAE whims. What happened with the unmentionable airline was no doubt afoul of laws that the forum operators had to comply with. Judging by the whining by the DCP - B, trying to blame the pilot shortage on guys telling everyone how bad EK is, I'd hazard a guess that if EK had a legal avenue to shut down references on PPRune they'd do so in a heartbeat.

Something cannot be libellous if it's true.

I was beginning to think it was just me, from his first post I thought "Management". I'm just SLF by the way.

Something is seriously rotten at Emirates for professionals such as yourselves to articulate flight safety , flight time limitation and other misgivings in a public forum. It seems that some of you with " skin in the game " ( jack schidt for example ) seem to be suffering from a mild case of Stockholm syndrome. We applaude those of you that speak up , as history will surely prove you correct in your identification of causal factors in any ( God forbid ) upcoming accident. Xiamen`s points as an example.
You all are giving the best years of your working life to an employer that only cares about image , brand and profit. When it is all said and done , you deserve much , much better.

nolimit,

Didn't the UK change the law so that it applied globally (to reflect the use oft he internet, but making jurisdiction over issues like this pervertedly all emcompassing), and change the definition from being damaging lies and falsehoods to damaging comments (essentially shutting down any avenue for public complaint, discussion or whistleblowing)? Or was that just a proposal that was dropped?

Boy oh boy, we should all be very grateful to EK for " allowing this "free" speech" .
I actually didn't realise they were that powerful but now that you've pointed it out to me I'll be sure to show a suitable amount of respect.

I agree, Framer - free speech is not something that the wise grant, in JS's parlance, but something that fools deny. Our neighbour's jack-booted attitude means I would never work down the road; if you need to silence your staff completely and threaten anyone who discusses your business, then the working conditions must be horrific. That is a huge dent to recruitment and retention of staff, especially expats. I suspect they contend with far worse than many others do, we just don't hear about it. So, it's not an act of generosity to allow people to speak, and it's of concern that anyone would think so.