EK roster
 

Can anyone post a roster from EK: A330, A380 and B777. Preferably junior pilot.
Thank you.

You are only a "junior" pilot once every five months- we have a rotating roster system.

Seniority plays a role in your group, but the most junior pilot is in the top 20% once every five months.

In theory, yes you are correct wiz.
However with some of the top bid rosters produced these days it seems everyone is bottom bid all the time. :)

The roster is influenced more by the staffing level for your position, rather than seniority or bid group. If they are short on manpower all rosters are horrible, if they are overstaffed then the rosters are better.

Thank you. I appreciate the reply but anyone is willing to post an actual roaster...the good and the bad;) I just want to see what the pairings look like: TAB, layover, days off, duty days.

A "typical roster" can't be shared, because no such thing exists. The entire setup is completely arbitrary and by the end of it, pretty much random. So I've tried instead to accurately describe the way by which rosters are constructed at EK.

Take a perfectly good computerized rostering system. Whatever you do, don't devote a large amount of IT resources to it. That way, it will get so overloaded and slow when pilots try to submit their bids that they'll give up trying. You've already lessened the load on the company. Great start!

Add countless secret, non-documented rules, relentless layered on by management. In the double standard spirit of the region, said rules can be broken on whim by the company when it benefits themselves, but are inflexible and incontestable when to even minutely bend them might benefit an employee. Be sure to add completely unreasonable, arbitrary limits such as numbers of days off in a row. Good so far.

Then, crew things so thin that it is a mathematical impossibility to actually cover all required flying with the current number of employed crew. Run rostering program to generate current months roster. It will of course, like all systems operating far outside of the parameters for which it was designed, fail. Blame system and begin making vague promises about a new, improved system to be implemented sometime in the near future, like 2030, or right after the nameplates for the StealeyWheelies are distributed.

Next, begin meddling (sometimes referred to as "manual insertions", an appropriately descriptive title). Give preferred flights to friends of rostering staff (aka "Indian mafia"), locals, trainers. Don't miss anyone! We can't have anyone with a name like "al Whatever" doing some night turn to Hyderabad, can we? That's what the grubby expats are for! Now you're getting the hang of it.

With what is left, continue the orgy of robbing Peter to pay Paul, being careful to manually intervene whenever some poor soul might accidentally be given enough days off in a row to try and do something silly, like go home to their own country. If they have leave, be sure to extract nearly the full month's flying in the remaining duties of the month. In addition, be sure to schedule their last duty before leave with a flight arriving in DXB 4 minutes before the first day of their leave. After their leave, be sure to roster a ULR flight first thing to ensure they give up three days off at home to be back in DXB "acclimatized".

Of course the productivity of the lazy pilots must be maximized, so be sure to get as close to the maximum hours - set at a low, low 92 anyway - as possible without going over. Tip: in months with some of the myriad uncredited duties like PPC's, SEP, CRM, you get easily get far more than 92 hours without having to pay for it. Bonus!

Publish roster. Be sure not to do so more than one week before the month following, to ensure maximum uncertainty for people trying to do trivial things like have a life. Watch in bemusement as the frenzied attempts at swapping begins in order that people may actually be able to eke out some sort of quality of life. Witness as the draconian rules prevent swaps from completing successfully, with no recourse and cryptic explanations from the system. Due to the wonderful design of said system, the schedulers can hide behind it without any sort of human contact or accountability at all. Excellent!

Lastly, head to Costa in the atrium for a 2 hour coffee and rub hands together in smug satisfaction at a job well done. Be sure to leave EGHQ not later than 3pm.

I think that about covers it. If I've missed any steps, I'm sure some of the lads will correct that.

Say how's that Globalista job satisfaction survey going again?

Exactly
 

That is the clearest, most concise explanation of the roster awarding you'll ever read.

Cheers, CK

I suggest that nolimitholdem's post above be made a sticky.

No limit for President!! Or perhaps DSVP of how things actually work...

nolimitholdem: Might I compliment you on a total tour de force of an explanation... bravo!!! :D

A standing ovation with the obligatory slow clap for nolimitholdem :D Awesome post.

The only thing I'll add is that if you are on the 777 and are working a freighter pairing and your trip gets extended into a few days off. Plan on not getting those days back or being paid for the lost days. When you call scheduling to inquire about some compensation for your lost days off, they will kindly tell you that you are still above minimum days off so "you're good" and you get nothing in return for your lost time. If that freighter trip is then shortened back to the original length, plan on having those days (which were once off) converted to an "Available Day" where you will be given a reserve period or a night turn. In return for the operational flexibility that you have given the company you get to enjoy the well deserved sweet f#%k all you are owed for your time.

Que the company apologists!

I have to vote it to be made a sticky....it's excellent.

My votes in!

nolimitholdem, brilliant post only missing one thing

Cram 92 hours flying into ten months of the year, to get as close as possible to the 900 hour limit. Then during a 5 week suspended animation period, sometimes called the Reserve Month, were there are no planned days off, an occasional flight or two, lots of standbys, sim support and totally random days off, all of which are allocated at 6pm each evening.

With what is left of the year, use the pilot's leave allocation to optimise operational needs, by fractionalising it so that the already thin manpower numbers are more readily available, just when the company needs them.

How can that be, it's a Lifestyle Brand!

So true, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. :D

Do the math on this If they have leave, be sure to extract nearly the full month's flying in the remaining duties of the month, as although it's buried in an excellent post it is by far the most egregious and contemptuous gobbet which is tossed into our cage.

I have had several rosters containing "leave" which, when compared to the rosters of colleagues who had no leave in that month showed that I was producing more more credit hours...

In essence, if you are foolish enough to repeatedly take short blocks out of your 42 days you in fact will receive no leave whatsoever.

'High fives' and black Range Rovers for everyone...

91 hrs in 22 days because I have leave, unreal

Goretex....that is unbelievable! But sadly, I believe it. Essentially, you are being punished for having leave.

Now lets speak from recent experiences - 85 "paid" hours for the month of September, plus an additional 39 duty hours for free, mahala, gratis! All legal my friends, all legal.

9 days leave, 85 hours, 1 day ground school, 2 days sim.....

3 weeks leave.
44 flying hours.
Unreal.

Same here, this month. Being punished for having leave.

43hrs in 8 days of flying, no augment or ulr flights. Also a mix of far east and westbound africa flts.

Its legal. Sad to say that legalities are the only thing binding our current situation, until the fatigue reports build up.

66 hours in two weeks. Wrote to management, but they don’t even have the decency to reply.
Everybody who complains on here about the hours, please do fill out an ASR PLUS a fatigue report. I guess that’s the only thing we can do. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Laker ... 100% correct !

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question in detail. I was considering a move to the Middle East with my family for a new experience. Are there any Middle Eastern Airlines that you know of that offer a better work/family/life balance? I don't think my wife would be impressed if I was gone more then I am now;)

Best Airline in Middle East
 

Yes, NOSUCH AIRLINE. www.nosuchair.com

:rolleyes:

Just out of interest, on a fleet like the 777 at EK with 140+ aircraft and one base, do you ever get to fly with the same guy twice??

Fly with the same guy twice....?
 

Yes quite often actually - once on the way to Mumbai, and then again quite soon after on the way back............. sorry, I'll get my coat.

We seem to have a new "Apollo Roster Hero" in our ranks.
Thanks for spoiling the party you dork!

Sometimes i'm worried boarding our planes as passenger ......

What's the story Glofish?

Come on Glofish - someone got an award for that. What do you want to plan your life for anyway?

Yep the brown NAJM definately goes to that space cadet!!! :ugh::ugh::ugh:

Recently in ground school one "cadet" was happily bragging about the preview... We are our own worst enemies...

Apollo Warrior Hero-ess...
 

Indeed a great thank you, to the (presumably) Female colleague from the southern hemisphere..

If you think they can't be any more stupid.. Voila.. one pops out of the woodwork.. Just incredible..

What where you thinking lady.. on using the Apollo info with your complaint??

:ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh::ugh:

Pointer

(and we can't even fill their mailboxes with filth any more.. they've taken that away as well… where is the fun in all this gone??)

The Apollo queen. We really do have some imbecilic clowns in our midst. Almost as stupid as the 380 captain that complained during his PPC that the wx given to him by the instructor was not correct.:ugh:

So that option is gone as well (can't find it anymore...) Thank you for that. However why is it so illegal and forbidden to have a look at roster making in progress?

Because Littlejet, the old axiom applies KIP. Knowledge Is Power. Why would the rostering Raj/Mafia want to devolve information that keeps them in a position of power? It's like asking IT for something that is Mac compatible..:ugh:

But no time for browser compatibility
 

Yup. They got plenty of time and money to close any "loophole" to allow us a preview of the next month's roster but still can't assign one of the hundreds in IT to make TRIPS compatible with standard browsers like safari or GASP the iPad. Another great waste of resources.

Somebody far funnier than me commented that they treat our rosters "like nuclear missile launch codes" which as well as being funny is also tragically true.:{