Since the day the first course rejoined and were given contracts with their old salary on.

Yes - all given their last drawn basic salary and for staff travel retain their original DOJ.

Shazeem, not it hasn’t

Let us be very clear this is a bonus, gladly received by those eligible BUT NOT IN ANY WAY repayment for the salary deducted!

Let us think of this another way, lets say you helped someone out during Covid because they were struggling. Having not been repaid anything for 2 years you then find that the person suddenly got a big bonus, I am sure you would be happy for them. However, if they then decided to upgrade the car, put new entertainment system in, put new interior in, splash the money around to keep everyone happy BUT AT NO POINT talked to you about when they would be repaying the money you had given them, then you would quickly become exceptionally unhappy!

(Also if the salary deducted was included in the 24 weeks as you imply, then it would mean that bonus for those who had the 6 months at half pay would in effect be half the bonus given to everyone else who qualified.)

I would have thought that any decent company would repay the employees the deducted salary money first and then pay a bonus. Sadly, as usual EK are trying to conveniently forget the deducted salary!! Upper management (and I mean DSVP and above because SVP and below have no input) will hope by not talking about it we all forget in time!! However it is something to bring up just before you leave!

Lets reiterate that everyone who received the bonus is very grateful. I do feel for those who weren’t eligible for whatever reason, it happened to me many years ago so I know how it feels. But it is a bonus and not a repayment of the salary deducted!

Now what we want is the contract adjustment letter with a serious pay rise!!!!

I do not understand the obsession with Emirates pilots trying to get the money back that was taken during Covid. It is completely stupid, 90% of pilots during Covid took massive financial hits, none of us are getting it back, move on

Wilco. Anything else we can do for you?

Good lord Pif Paf you really are a misery.

exactly what gulf management loves about flight crew. Occasionally throw a bone and all is forgiven..... I agree with Pif.

24 weeks!! And you call it a bone??

Looks like you're up 2 weeks Pif Paf.
and so it goes....

Some people are never satisfied. They will always find something to moan about.

Very toxic!! Like his nickname.

As I said before, take the bonus and leave!

Filling up my favourite bucket. Trying not to get used to the smell from the other bucket..some nasty stuff in there. Halas.

Expectations
 

So when hh says "Invest it wisely, save or spend it well and enjoy the results of your hard work,” is he already setting up expectations for next couple of years. Have they given anything for the pay rise. How much above step?

To all those that propose leave, where else would you go for widebody with chance of upgrade?

Genuinely interested.

Any unionised airline in the developed world will offer a higher probability of achieving command, providing the required seniority can be achieved. Robust employment laws and a strong union, removes much of the luck that one needs to achieve and keep their command at EK.

We are short of pilots yet we are flying fewer aircraft than we did before COVID. That alone speaks volumes about how the desirability of the carrier has diminished significantly since the pandemic started.

But above all, don't come here focused on the command. Prior to COVID, new 777 pilots were being quoted double digits in terms of years to command and that will eventually return, once things settle down. There maybe many aircraft on order but a number will simply replace older airframes. Moreover, until the airline moves to DWC, there is also very little room for the airline to expand at DXB.

Deducted salary
 

I work for European legacy and was layed off for 18 month durig covid with no salary. All pilots were unemployed for 12-24 month. We got about 25% of salary from goverment, 0 from company. Have been in same company over 20 years and had bonus once, maybe 3k€. Salaries were lowered last year. This is in "decent" company 😅

It would seem that bigger profit shares are being awarded elsewhere too! Eight months in SIA - which specifically includes an additional element to recognise pay cuts and Covid 19 'sacrifices' over the last 3 years.

https://mothership.sg/2023/05/sia-st...IMBL7yoYF_IQxo

I believe SIA still awards a 13th months salary as a standard part of the salary package in December each year. So that’s 9 months extra salary in SIA this year.

Long may the recovery continue.

SIA 1st year capt basic is about 7800 USD. No housing, no education allowance. Income tax applicable.
Cost of living is at the rooftop….

Just curious, how would you qualify the 5$ starfcuk coffee vaugher that air can distributed to its employees while the exec cashed out 9M bonus :}

Developed world :ouch: :} strong union :ugh: :mad:

Cost of living has always been high in Singapore but only on a par with Dubai. And it is true that SIA has gone almost exclusively to local contracts. But, 9 months is still 9 months. The basic salary hasn't changed. What has 'gone' are the expat only additional benefits. So, if you have a wife, children at school etc, then EK is still the better financial option. Flying pay remains very good in SIA though - just under US$ 3k pcm for a 70 hour month and good productivity rates above 70 hours. The way things are going, I can see expat contracts (and benefits) coming back again. Subjectively, Singapore is a nicer placer to live, the roster allows for a far better qol and ALPA S is as close to being a union as makes no difference.

Not wishing to start an SIA v EK debate though. My intention was purely to highlight that big profit shares are now coming back everywhere and I am very happy for both EK and SIA pilots.