I will have to agree with Silver on this one. I have nothing against the MPL concept. I have even visited Clark a few times and talked with students and instructors. But In my opinion the basic flaw is having the student pay for the training. Every student should have a sponser airline paying for most if not all of their training with a contract/bond ageement. One of the big problems with having the students pay is Alpha has every incentive to pass them no matter what. They will be more motivated on profits than turning out a quality pilot. In the end the good pilots that make it through will be tainted because of a few that pass, that shoud not have, and give the school a bad reputation. If the airlines were sponsoring and paying the poor performers would be weeded out along the way. Another issue is something that has been mentioned before. Most of the students that will be able to afford this program will be coming from wealthy upper class families. In my experiance some of these tend to not work as hard as students paying their own way and feel that their passing is a given.

@ Slatch
 

Hi There,

I just wanted to have something(s) cleared out here,

Being in the UAE since birth, I know that there are no Guarantees what so ever...even UAE Nationals can't get that guarantees, but I know another important thing...if they give you a promise & everything goes on well...you will get what you were promised for!!!, this is one of the very old traditions in this Country...:)

In Aviation, connections with the emplyees in the Airline industry is a must, for example, I was in Bahrain for JAR-66 tests & met alots of airline employees from accross the region, some work for Gulf Air, Emirates, Kuwaiti Airlines...etc., I kept some contacts with them...everytime there is a job opening...they contact me first & offer their help throughout the application! & its the same thing in the Flight Ops...trust me, so no matter what, connections are number 1, in parallel to experience.

About coming from a wealthy family or so, I do come from a Kinda wealthy Family & had never thought about studying less or more, I just study, get my stuff done (High grades) & don't even ask for a penny from my parents, I try my best to get my money from my own work !, but this time...its a big one, my parents told me that if I didn't deserve it...they wouldn't even think about it...:cool:

Anyways its a win/win situation, where as a PPRuNer said, add up the costs of Quality Flight Training + MPL + Type Rating + CRM/MCC/FTDs + 12 TOs & Landings + additional 40 sectors (Air Arabia contract...not AAA) + Job Interview with a high % chance of employment...its really worth it ! :ok:

About getting the enough money...I know a doctor at the Age of 37 who left his office & went for flight training in Canada...guess what...he is now working with Air Canada & waiting for his interview for Etihad !, so get a certificate, work for a couple of years (save money) then fly !:ugh:

The type rating here won't worth a penny! It was gained on MPL basis...so a cadet should obtain the fATPL in order to have his type rating recognized. The employer will look at the type of licence before he looks at a wealth of type ratings.


Come on, mate..
I can tell you that like many folks, I do love UAE and their traditions too...But do you really mean that a word of mouth might be equal to the written contract? In the airline industry?! In this materialistic world?!! I hope that you are right about this.


Don't you think that Air Arabia is trying not to make few minute commitments to the cadets? I can see Air Arabia winning more than any other party. And if things go wrong in a way or another, they will be getting out of it with very minimal losses. It's the LCC mindset that dominates mate :E


Yeah...I think thet are aiming at building a self-contained business model..and MPL is one aspect of it...Only time will tell how smart they have done it.


The decision you will be making about where and how to get your training is crucial. Let's keep in mind the history of Alpha Aviation back in their country of origin! May be things will be different in Sharjah.. And I hope so...But up until now , it's leaning towards the negative side of the term "may be" I think!

Safety comes first fellows.

MPL sponsorship
 

i think there is a grave misunderstanding in the issue of MPL sponsorship which needs to be corrected now lest it propagate further. let's try and be logical here, gentlemen/ ladies. this is a reply to no specific person, but to a few statements i picked up in the thread.

1. MPL should not be self-sponsored..ever!
why would ICAO or the CAA's bother to check who pays the bill??? (pardon my triple question marks, i seem to have picked up this bad habit for drama in this forum :E)

their rightful concern is training -- whether the training in the MPL academy is aligned with the SOP's of the partner airline. who gets to pay for the training (whether airline or the cadet) is none of its business, as it is none of their business to check who pays for your PPL, CPL, IR, fATPL, ME, Instructors rating, or Type Rating. I know of a lot of people who pay for their own CPL all the way to TR: what difference does that have to someone who pays on his own for the MPL?

again and let's put this to rest: airline partnership in the MPL means operational and training partnership, not a financial partnership.

if any body here wants the airline to pick up the tab what he should do is go to the airline and negotiate his way into getting a training package in exchange for a bond of say, 3 years. then if he is successful, he should log on to PPRUNE first thing the following morning and tell all of us here the juicy details so he can help fellow (would be) aviators! ;)

2. Most of the students that will be able to afford this program will be coming from wealthy upper class families. In my experiance some of these tend to not work as hard as students paying their own way and feel that their passing is a given.

this got me a little confused. i thought the point was being raised against students who pay for their training?

in case it is just typo error and the point being made is about rich kids not being diligent students, then i will say this is a general educational problem, not a problem limited to MPL training. All schools, colleges, universities, training programs, need to ensure the lazy guys perform well or get kicked out. so this is not exactly a comment against the MPL, but rather a challenge for the school -- make sure no rich bum thinks he is entitled to get the MPL without performing well, just because he paid big bucks!

3. One of the big problems with having the students pay is Alpha has every incentive to pass them no matter what. They will be more motivated on profits than turning out a quality pilot.

Every business ALWAYS has this dilemma: how to make money without sacrificing quality (which costs a lot). Why make a specific item against a specific company? Isn't it a little naive to think the other training companies offering other courses do not have this challenge? I am not from Alpha, but guys, let's be fair here. This is again obviously not an MPL issue.

4. In the end the good pilots that make it through will be tainted because of a few that pass, that shoud not have, and give the school a bad reputation.

Show me a school where this is not an issue.

5. If the airlines were sponsoring and paying the poor performers would be weeded out along the way.

this statement got me thinking, how exactly is this going to be done? and i am thought that it is assuming since the airlines are more concerned with safety, they will exert more diligence in checking the performance of their sponsored cadets. this is actually a good point.

but I will tell you this: airlines are businesses too, right? aren't they affected by the profit motive, too? if we think everybody who is out to make a profit will sacrifice quality, then that affects everyone, not just the schools.

the point i am trying to make is this: we are talking big bucks here. airlines naturally will be wary, as the school and the families should, too.

every would be cadet needs to take a long hard look at his options, and his risks. however we need to be objective and fair, and not muddle the issues any further.

MPL requires lots of money and good training plus a partner airline. i suggest all the cadets check if all three are present and in good quality before taking the plunge. Ask lots of questions. Look at contracts. DO due diligence studies. In other words, BE RESPONSIBLE STUDENTS starting with an honest to goodness risk assessments.

to malirm and emiratesson, good luck! i hope your studies go well.

Air Arabia commitment
 

BUT I agree with Silver5 and OMDB in one aspect: Air Arabia's presence at the other end of the pipeline should be the critical piece at the moment, as ICAO and the Danish authorities still can't seem to make up their mind on what to do with the Sterling Airlines experience. All the training of the MPL graduates (who have reportedly proven themselves to be very competent FOs) will be wasted if they cannot get conversion of their MPL training to another airline.

If ICAO approves the conversion, then nothing will prevent airlines from picking up MPL cadets at anytime even those they have not sponsored at the start, so ICAO is reluctant at the moment -- they are deathly afraid of kicking their own butts. I personally think it is all just a matter of time before ICAO approves the conversion....

So, Malirm/ Emiratesson, what exactly have Air Arabia offered? Employment for those who pass or pooling only? If info is not for public consumption, could you PM me? thanks and hoping for your indulgence :)

Hi mountaintop2007

I agree with much of what you've said:)
But I've got few things to clarify.

Is that me who said so?:hmm:


But yes..I meant to say this:

Many times I have explained why. MPL is not a standard training..It differs according to the employer.


and yesssss..the issue of conversion is very critical :ugh:


Guys..there are great PowerPoint presentations that have been constructed by experts in MPL...search them on the inet...or send me PM.:ok:


Cheers

@ Mt2007
 

Hi there, thanks for the replies :ok:, hope I do well in the MPL...the point is that I have met some people in Alpha Aviation Academy (go through my previous posts), some of the instructors are Air Arabia Captains ! & others are Air Arabia's Staff working on Simulators & Flight Ops, i.e. in addition to being 51% owned by Air Arabia...Air Arabia is also helping in the set up of the Academy & always monitoring the performance of the Academy.

The Academy's building is still opened temopararly at the cargo terminal until the main building opens in 2010...this shows how Air Arabia is in real need of Pilots to open such a program & offer 40 sectors on the A320 in this early stage...by the way, the UAE GCAA has authorised the MPL program & reccommends it, until this moment, I can say everything is going on well, it was planned since early 2007 :).

About getting the Job, there is NO reason that Air Arabia wouldn't employ you/me or whoever passes the screening at Alpha Aviation Academy then gets trained by Air Arabia's Staff/Simulators & some AAA instructors, I said it before & I'll say it again...the AAA Head of Ground Instructors told me clearly...we don't want to offer a program that doesn't secure you a job, we are offering a program that 'At the end of the day' get you a job on graduation. I am a UAE Expat, so no guarantees for me (Only a Job interview), but emiratesson is a UAE national & he is guaranteed a job in Air Arabia:ok:

CA TAGs
 

heard MPL cadet graduates of Clark Aviation did circuits with their airline and did very well (but need to confirm this, only saying so as no problems seem to have arisen hehe)! :p

hmmm.... seems MPL as a training concept is proving itself to be workable. this would be good news for AAA UAE i suppose. happy training/ flying to all!

MPL Cadets Base Training @ Clark
 

Hi All,

Just like to share that 5 Cadets from Clark Aviation did their Base Training yesterday using Cebu Pacific's aircraft A320 at Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (Clark).


Congratulations to those 5 who made it this far! :ok:

MPL Training
 

If any of the MPL Cadets at Clark Av. is reading this Post, I say...Congrats, we all depend on your performance & the MPL's success depends on you too...:ok:, let us walk tall.

I will be Joining the MPL at Alpha Aviation Academy (UAE) very soon for the MPL, hope I also help in the rise of the MPL to the Surface!

Someone posted an interesting question which is no more displayed...
Are the MPLs already approuved by the GCAA ? The licensing section of my last update of the CAR is not refering to MPL. Will GCAA issue such licences?

@ SFLY
 

The GCAA will issue the MPL license at the end of training & successfully fulfilling the ICAO requirements by each cadet (pass tests & fly required sectors).

As far as I know, the GCAA started researching the MPL with ICAO in 2007 & had recognised it in late 2008, & will start issueing it to those cadets who went for the MPL training with a certified school such as Alpha. :ok:


AAA could have started a little earlier, but it waited for the blessings & acceptance from the GCAA, which is a must before offering such a program :)

More importantly, the issue should be which airline companies, apart from Air Arabia, approve/recommend the MPL course by Alpha Aviation.

You don't want to get a licence that's recognized by only one company, do you?!

@ SilveR5
 

I do know some stuff is going on in alots of Airlines in the Middle-East, where they are all intrested in the MPL & would like to see if it works for real !

I also know that alots of Flight schools in the UAE/Region are researching MPL & how to provide it in the future, I've got some info from pilots & flight instructors in Etihad, Gulf Air...& other A320 Operators (don't know why the A320 though) in the region who are thinking about MPL & researching it with their partner flight schools.

I think that airlines are now looking for High quality airmen with 0 employment costs (tests, interviews, free tickets to HQs & Hotel stay costs for shortlisted applicants) + get some money on the other side (120,000 USD) with no guarantees or ties !!!

Lets Just hope for the best, we are in the real world, nothing can come to you on a plate of gold, you have to risk it...CPL/IR/ME can't help me already even with Type Rating, why not try MPL?

malirm
 

- Didn't those pilots tell you that, if these airlines will ever decide to adopt MPL, each airline has its own scheme and standards for MPL training? Didn't they tell you that your MPL with Air Arabia WILL NOT allow you to work in Etihad or Gulf Air or any other airline unless you do another MPL/fATPL that matches your target airline (because there is no MPL conversion up till now)?

- Didn't they tell you that they will never stop hiring type-rated ATPL pilots, even if their own MPL cadets are ready to fly right here right now??!

- So until their "thinking and researching" is done, going for MPL on your own at this stage means you understand and accept being a tryout cadet!! Believe it or not... They will be happy to know that you want to be so.

& by the way...it's so misleading if you count on pilots and instructors to get you trusted info about such an important matter in big airline companies. This is all about another level of decision makers my friend..!


Oh really? I hope that there is nothing so bad that render these unsuitable for you! Otherwise, no1 would really say that ATPL+type rating can't help. These are the safest.


Safety comes first, gents!


Cheers

Do you really think this is compatible? Airlines will soon be looking for pilots able to clean the lavatories to save some more money and it seems they would still have candidates ready to go for it.

I would like to ask you a question: Would you be fine with your mother receiving surgery from a "MPL" surgeon (0 real life experience/0 cost)?

Airlines are simply looking for the most economic alternatives. This doesn't mean it's airworthy and that wannabees have to take everything. Loads of experienced professional pilots are looking for a job, do you think it's technically logical to train brand new pilots to fly airliners?

@ SilveR5
 

Going through your posts made me think twice about my decisions, but still...MPL wins!, Its alright for a Middle-Eastern like me to believe in MPL, as General Aviation in this region is too small, i.e. either stay a student all the time or Fly Jets directly, it is hard to get any flight jobs (extra hours) on light aircrafts in this region, even with flight schools as a flight instructor...If I thought about leaving this country/Region to the US or EU or anywhere else...my chances of employment would get just lower & Lower!, as I said, my probabilities & chances are low in the OLD system, why not try the MPL, money is wasted anyways, but time is gained.

Graduating with an MPL with 12 TOs & Landings will only help me to get into air arabia, but getting the other 40 will release me to the whole market in the region & trust me...MPL will win :ok: (I will work in an airline that I can't name at this moment), I didn't believe in MPL for some time at the beginning & was going for a lovely f ATPL training at DAE FA, but changed my mind when I looked at what are my chances of employment with a F ATPL.

SilveR5, I know that you want the best for me & to all the others, I also do care about flying & Flight Training as you do, I have asked some pilots I do know, I asked Flight Ops guys & all sounded positive, but a little dark about the MPL...its NEW, but don't forget that it was set by Pilots, Airlines & ICAO.

Speaking of trusted info, I know these guys from a long time ago & had never faced a problem with their info & expectations!, Airlines will never stop Hiring ATPL-Type rated Pilots as I will be holdong one when I complete the 1500 Flight Hours!, MPL has better Specs against a F-ATPL, I do understand that I don't have any guarantees with Air Arabia, but I do know that Air Arabia has a Pilot shortage at the moment & will have more Pilot shortage by Mid 2010, imagine employing 10 Pilots every 5 weeks!, looking at the Number of MPL cadets (about 16), we will be dissolved into Air Arabia with a matter of few months:ok:

At the moment Air Arabia is not even replying to experienced ATPL applicants.

@ SFLY
 

Since you went through surgery & Surgeons, you know that to become a doctor/surgeon is a totally different approach, where experience must be high as compared with flying. In my country, you need to spend 5 years in the Medical College before you even learn about surgery.

I do know & Understand that experience in flying (and any field...honestly) is important, specially when flying an aircraft with complex systems & Turbofan engines, thats why MPL was created...it is called the Multi-Crew Pilots License as I will be trained from day one to fly in an airline environment with my Captain/FO & Other crew + other Airline employees AND passengers, I will get the whole info & experience on operating an airliner from the very first day, it isn't about normal ground classes & Flight Circuits, there is much much more included in Sims & other missions that will be assigned to me as I go through the course, don't forget that I must get some experience on the line to get my MPL issued, here Air Arabias position comes!, there must be a Partner airline to help the Cadets to get their flight experience (they have the choice of employing me or..NOT, but no Musts).

About Airlines are looking for the most economic alternatives part, thats true, but this doesn't mean that they will drop the Quality means, thats why MPL...not F-ATPL, by technical means, Oh Yes, I do believe in training from a Zero to a Hero :) using todays technologies & teaching techniques, Note that I am not dealing with Gauges & 1991 Segas, I will be dealing with LCDs & 2009 PS3 :ok:

As everybody says, only time can show you the whole naked truth, lets hope for the best, as I said...its a win/win situation!, watch me doing it here in the UAE & judge me after that :ok:

Just sow your last post, I'll call HR tommorrow & ask them about what happened with the ATPL guys who are sending them emails...just kidding, I think there is a season of recieving emails & then a season for replying to the ONLY successful guys, so if you applied 3 months ago & haven't got a reply, they usually call it a Unsuccessful application or so...I think Emails are meant for applying...not for enquiries!, be optemistic, they would recieve a reply one day...

Hi again malirm

I do appreciate your understanding of my views on the matter. I have shared the facts that I know, of which many are from key senior persons working for airline companies in the region and from those who are directly invovled in MPL adoption.

So I have nothing left to say except that you should now focus on your mission and do whatever it takes to excell in your training. The qualities in you as a person and your flying skills are your priorities from now on:ok:

After all, I wish you success.

peace

@ SilveR5
 

Thanks for the reply, I really appreciate your worries & view on the MPL :), you made me go through alots of things online after your last post, I want to share the info in those links, they really cleared alots of things about the MPL & how it works, and got some questions to be answered by the Flight Academy!...take a look:

ICAO | FLS | FAQs

http://www.icao.int/icao/en/jr/2007/6203_en.pdf , go to page 15/16, 31 & 33

Maybe this one is a little Old... http://mail.beca.be/tulip/position/I...ment%20MPL.pdf

I didn't want to sound negative in my last post(s), but I truely believe that MPL is defferent & still...didn't take its right in the Aviation industry...hope things go on well...:ok:

Malrim, you beat me to it!

Silver could you provide regulatory reference that supports you statement about employment with a different airline after MPL and IOE.

I found this, which is from CARS and is the same iin JAA FCL, EASA 17B and ICAO PANS TRG.

Approval for a MPL(A) training course shall only be given to a FTO of a CAR-OPS 1 operator or a FTO having a specific approved arrangement with a CAR-OPS 1 operator. The licence shall be restricted to that specified operator until completion of the airline operator’s conversion course in accordance with CAR-OPS 1 Subpart N.



As I read it, Alpha(UAE) are offering 40 Sectors, which is the Operators Conversion Course, on completion the MPL holder can then legally move to another Operator should they want or need to!

Gilderoy,
Makes sense! MPL does not have the 40 sector requirement. All it needs is the ‘12 takeoffs and landings’ completion. 40 sectors IS to complete the operator’s conversion course which I believe is being offered by Alpha only.

And what will happen when a MPL captain will be incapacitated?
Passengers are paying their ticket to be flown by professional pilots, not to pay for student pilots' flying lessons. I'm not sure so many people would agree to make concessions on that side. Remember the LH incident with the 250h cadet... that was a very close call. I understand it is exciting for young people to immediately start flying a shiny airbus, that doesn't mean it is the best way...

@ SFLY
 

I really do understand your point of view, where you are saying, Low Houred Cadets must not fly a Commercial Jet...they are not safe...But, bythway ----> Safety is the main reason that the ICAO had made the MPL, so I am pretty sure that such accidents wouldn't occur with a MPL guy...as you will be made aware of such errors while training...:ok:

I just had a heavy lunch here...I barely can speak or type...I'm out now :)

Where is the difference (in terms of skills) between a cadet and a MPL? it's only a matter of training and licensing. Both of them will have to learn (what is not in the books) as they fly. For me an airline is not a flying school and crews should be experienced enough to handle tough situations. CRM teaches you how to improve the synergy in the cockpit. Having a "trainee" to supervise is an additional workload for the captain, which is the contrary of synergy. I'm sorry if my words irritates you as you seems to be a serious and organized person (more than half of the required qualities for this job!) but I'm only sharing my skeptical point of view. I wish you best of luck in your career and look forward to see you showing us I am wrong :ok:

SFLY

I take it that you objection is against any low hour ab-initio pilot going straight to the RH seat of an airliner, be it someone with a CPL/IR and a Type Rating or an MPL Licence, they both have similar hours when they start with the airline in either a Simulator or training aircraft!

What is the minimum experience that you think is acceptable and how should someone in the Middle East or Europe for that matter, gain that experience?

Don't inexperienced pilots fly with Training Captains/Very experienced Captains who are able to cope with the demands of inexperience in the RH Seat!

Ayla, why do you think airlines are now looking into cadets, MPL and other ab initio programs when experienced pilots are available? Do you seriously think this is for operational reasons? Please don't take the existence of such programs as a good justification, it's purely a matter of cost reduction and "control" over younger inexperienced pilots.

For decades airline pilots had to go through different stages in order to acquire experience before reaching the right seat of an airliner. This can be instruction, aerial work, then corporate turboprops and jets before finally having an substantial background. I personally think it is quite useful to have experienced things like night NDB procedures on uncontrolled airfields with low visibility and icing conditions and it's not time to discover these things when you have 100 paxs behind you. The A320 might be a good machine but certainly not for instruction purposes. You need to "feel" lots of things to get a better experience which you cannot easyly achieve in a 320. Do you think cadets flying DA42 over a flat and sunny country would have the same skills than experienced pilots when it comes to land a 330 on a slipery RWY during a storm? Look at this poor LH cadet with 250h who almost crashed her 320... she is not to be blamed at all while she was probably given an unrealistic goal when it comes to fly with such bad weather.

I have nothing against wannabees, on the contrary, but simply think about the reasons why such programs are now available... to me it is absolutely not for the sake of flight safety or the wannabees themselves but only airlines accountants.

@ SFLY
 

Thanks for the last post, I will try my best to be the best example of a MPL holder, where I am looking forward to change your view rather than speaking about showing you that SFLY is wrong :ok: or even maybe right :).

hey guys
 

last read this thread a couple weeks ago. didn't realize it's been action packed! but i have to admit this is really a good respectful debate, much unlike the other threads in pprune i have been involved in. so kudos to you guys! :D

malirm,
sad truth is some MPL guys already think they are better than CPL/ fATPL graduates. Saying the MPL is better than fATPL, i think is at best an honest intellectual opinion at this point (i am of the same hopeful view too!), but that is all. there is no evidence to buttress this and there won't be until we get the first few MPL pioneers to perform in IOE, and then released to the Line. that is why i am so much interested in Clark's cadets and how they perform in 5J. until that point let's advise the other MPL guys to be humble, and be much like your own position: study hard, perform well. the burden is actually not on the critics to prove MPL wrong. only actual good performance can prove MPL is right, like the way we theorize it will be.

SFLY,
the poor pilot you mentioned is not an MPL cadet so there is no point in using her experience in commenting on the skills of low hour MPL graduates in the future. it simply does not follow that since both this girl and the MPL cadets have low hours, then they will perform in similar fashion. Training is what will differentiate them, as training is what differentiated guys with similar number of hours logged but different Type ratings. Training is the necessary intervention that will ensure the skills requirement will be met.

So I believe this is what we should try and study: whether the training given by AAA UAE is enough to make sure the low hour MPL cadets perform admirably. Unless of course you take the position that it is impossible to improve the skills of low hour pilots to the level required no matter how many hours of training is done. i hope not, but if you do, hey i can live with that, as long as you're not my instructor, and not my Aviation Authority ;) hahaha

i have nothing to add to the discussion until i do my own research first regarding some of the interesting issues raised here. until then...happy flying to all!

Good Luck !
 

If ONLY all the hopeful trainees here knew what they were getting themselves into.....:=............with any of the training organizations.

With the GCAA being so naive and eager to promote something neither they or anybody else understands fully, is a risk by itself.

Then to add to the problems within the system such as.......

* Lack of airspace i.e training areas.
* Inabilty (actually an unwillingness) to provide an adequate service by some ATC units, due to the lack of airspace. (All one has to do is glance at the AIP to see all the restrictions)
* Lack of airports to fly to i.e Hasn't Abu Dhabi Intl prohibited all training, UNLESS you are an operator at THAT airport.
* Al Ain Intl is out of the question during weekday daylight hours due to all the military training going on.
* Training being prohibited in the MAIN CTA
* Green individuals in the system.

* However the above can be tackled with the usual bogus "UNDERSTANDINGS" which are a mere form of corrupt WASTA. :ugh:...........BUT for how long?

Regardless whether an individual has enrolled in ANY training organization for ANY course.....................Best Of Luck ! :rolleyes:

I've been reading the thread for a while. I've got to say that many of the critics against MPL training are pretty true. Looking at the recruitment profiles of middle east operators, this becomes significantly correct versus other regions in the world. I have spoken to guys at GF Training and others in recruitment to find out fact from fiction.

SilveR5, you were right about these I suppose according to the feedback I've got!
ICAO regulations in the matter look very fine, but practically it doesn't really happen this way. For example, few months back GF has clearly refrained from approving plenty of cadets requests to sponsor their MPL training somewhere in Australia maybe. GF has its own strategy for MPL in the future and they won't send the cadets to a place they don't recognize. In fact, GF won't need MPL cadets from anywhere except from those the company will be sponsoring with a partner FTO. I think this will be the case with other employers in the region. I would say this is the living example for MPL recruitment issues in the mean time and for the near future.

Is better to graduate MPL or CPL from Europe in U.A.E there is much Nationalism & waste of money if u r complete pilot 1st chance will be given to national his salary will be also double if u completed ur graduation of pilot from Europe then it’s very easy to find job in any part of Middle east or anywhere in uae u have 2 pay double but the best education more good then Alpha or Emirates will be given there in low cost in any good Aviation College. :ok:

me to wanna be pilot but when i search & took information these all information i found The Best Pilot r made in STATes in uae is only 1 climate

if u know anyother good pilot Acdamey plzzz inform

seriously
 

timur you need to get off whatever smoke it is you are inhaling i can not understand a damn thing you said. :ok:

Oxford Aviation Academy receives MPL approval - Flight Training News

May 05, 2009 at 11:25 PM

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OAA also say that their MPL course provides applicants with a money-back guarantee in the event of training failure anywhere in the course, which is mirrored in OAA’s other flight training courses. Additionally, OAA is offering the further guarantee of a fully-funded reversion to standard integrated ATPL training in the event the MPL programme stalls for any other reason. MPL students will also benefit from a joint sponsorship scheme under which Flybe and OAA will both provide up to £20,000 in funding support to those selected for the MPL course.

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Flybe to open UK's first MPL recruitment drive - Flight Training News

Mar 01, 2009 at 02:00 AM

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Additionally, in the highly unlikely event that there is any major interruption to the MPL course, Flybe and FTE have said that they will undertake reversion to the standard CPL/IR program at no additional cost to the students. This means that if circumstances arise that prevent Flybe from employing the cadets, their retraining will be generic rather than type and airline specific, affording them the chance to apply to other airlines. It is believed that this guarantee has been put in place in reaction to the unfortunate situation arising from the demise of Danish carrier Sterling Airlines last year, which left Europe’s first MPL rated pilots without jobs and stuck for alternative employment, given their training had been geared towards Sterling’s standard operating procedures (SOPs).

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These are not my own opinions, are they?!

Cheers

Hi all

I need your help guys!
My enquiry goes out to those who have went through Alpha's assessment.

I looking for all possible details about Alpha's assessment and aptitude tests. What are the details of these tests? what about math and physics tests? What is it that I should worry about the most in the procedure?

Your input and guidance are highly appreciated.

Thanks :ok:

Thanks Marlin
 

Hi there

I really appriciat u guys for the all of the posts cuz i was thinking also to join and i'm still thinking to join keep it up guys:ok:

Flight Instructors
 

I am thinking of working at AAA as a PPL Flight Instructor. Can any one tell me about the present situation of the Academy? Are they growing fast? Is the building ready yet? Where is the exact location of the building ? Are they building any housing units for students and instructors? How many instructors are they planning to hire? How many aircrafts are they buying initially? Will they help there flight instructor's with a job on an A320 after a certain term of contract? How many students are currently in the Ground School?What salary will they offer to instructors?
I don't want to resign my present job and start working in a place which closes down like DAEFA in a few months.

@ .air
 

I am a current student at AAA & everything is going on perfect at the moment, I know that AAA had a very wise & good lesson about what happened with DAEFA + other flight schools in the regoin + Clark Aviation & is managed by very experienced staff of the GCAA, Air Arabia, X-military...etc., where some of the instructors are A320 Type Rated & others were typerated on another aircrafts before they left their airlines for training student pilots, I can't say that if AAA might get you a place on the A320 while working as an instructor with them, but there is a possibility as you are so close!

There are currently 12 to 14 Students divided in 2 batches & about 2 applications a day...we always have to keep quiet in the corredors because exams/assessments are being conducted (Psychometric/Psychomotor)...:ok:

As for the accommodation & the new building, so far the new building is under construction, AAA is just beside Lufthansa Cargo office (nowadays) & I heard that they are going to shift to a nicely furnished Hangar as the Cessnas arrive in the last quarter of 2009.

I think I read PPL Instructor...can you get a CPL instructor...:), looking forward to training me, Good Luck

I've just looked through the AAA website. The whole setup makes no sense to me to be honest.

Apart from the financial investment of Air Arabia into 'experimental' project, how are they involved operationally?