APSD Interview
 

I was in Amman few days ago and i had long wanted to check out this company; APSD is conducting Type rating + Line training for fresh pilots

They currently operate 2 A310 and not sure how many 733s in Alexandria are available but Mr. Maher of APSD advised the A310 is easier because the sim and aircrafts are in Amman

The TR + 250 hours on type costs you 100K USD, you pay 50% (can be divided into installments over the period of training) and the remainder will be deducted off your salary, you will have to sign bond of 5 years and if you leave any earlier; you must pay the balance of what you owe

License conversion is your responsibility and that could take up to 3 months along with security clearance, type rating on the A310 is available monthly and is conducted at Amman, this can also take up to 3 months\

Then its 3 - 4 months to complete the 250 hours line training

During this 9 - 10 months you will get NO PAY, NOTHING!

Then Jordan aviation will take you in as Junior FO; your pay will be 1000USD only and it will remain so until you accumulate 500 hours on type; then your pay goes up to 3750USD gross (deduct tax 250USD, Company bond 1250USD) so you end up with a couple of thousand dollars; that's all

The APSD GM explained further and further; eventually i worked it out to be working 5 years for free; ie: you save nothing but hours on A310; but all what you earn is going to equal what you spend on training and living (226000USD gross earning = 226000US expenses)

To me; and this is strictly my personal opinion; i am fed up with paying and paying and paying endlessly; i am flying a nice EFIS turbo-prop at the moment and 3400+ hours in my logbook; not so much flying; but the pay is going in anyways so i considered the Jordan Aviation deal some sort of a rip off; maybe its ok for new pilots but not for me

Thanks

Syrian,

How did they justify the $100,000 price tag?

A type rating on A310/737 is probably in the $12,000 range, give or take.

So that's about $88,000 profit the company makes off you, the employee.

Even by aviation standards this is a new low.

Sky-lord
,lets put things right away here .:ok:
I think pilots cant refuse any flight in JAV even its exceeding or snags are there , because at the end of the month their salary will not go to the bank and they will keep begging .the bold .
we have seen so many examples of all the people whome they left Jav did they get there money just think of yourself and your family does it worth it .
even 7500 , or your big example capt wathik ask him how much he suffers with all the money and bad treatment he had recently .

look now at the situation form wide view now we had engine failure on B737JAB on take off roll next what will happen ,

hope not

Ok its Great to have Uk CPL/IR or Uk ATPL ,:ok: 7500
but can you explain to me if your Rating B737-300 Congo . where did you do your type rating ?as far as I know congo doesnot have B737 simulators , how was it endorsed .
And how you make your currency every six months on simulators , as per Jordan Civil aviation your licence if its Validated as jordaninan you must have somebody from congo Civil aviation to renew it every six months correct me if I am wrong and observe you on Simulator ,
a lot of pilots worked in Jordan aviation From Romania Yamen Grees , they used to do thier Sim and have there licences renewed and come back to Amman and get there validation right :bored:

So better for you my freind to get your jordanian ATPL ASAP thats if your licence from congo of course ..........

well sky-lord
let me go now in public ,
Remember arbil flights ask your examples who much money they got for all the exceedance they did with duty time limitations and climb limit weight , :uhoh: you were there i think , how much kawa gave you to excced time limitatins , stop there my friend or I will go on , the worse thing is JAV operations kept there mouth shutt because they were making money .

take care if you have alternate you will not saty in JAV

B737 Atpl
 

Can anybody give me the address of the Congo flight school that
give B737/300 ratings?

I know you need the flight hours, but not at the expense of safety,
it is not worth it.

I do not really think Jordan Aviation would do all what you accuse them
with, as far as I know Jordan Aviation is an IOSA airline.

tarik123
Acually i am not acusing any body , its a fact , yes we had IOSA that was done with a great captains ex RJ and now they left all , they all worked very hard those dayes , but i bet you know they will not get it because all our operations run with non airline pilots with ex airforce they know nothing about airline.
what concern us now , is the , duty time , maintanance above all those whome hold a none jordanian licences with validation , thier original one is not valid any more how come they renew thier simulator , so big question my friend ????????????

you better call 7500 he will give you the congo flying school for B737 , even they can endorse A330 with 100 $ , fee :uhoh:

are you sure about these informations

They do there TR with JATS which is Jordan CAA approved and ICAO.
Bahrain air the new airline in bahrain is using JATS training center so i dont think its bad.
jordan aviation and is sister company APSD jordan have started this first officer program on A310 or B737-300.
I think it’s not worth for experience pilots with lots of turbo prop or jet hours.
But I think if you have a CPL/IR multi engine rating ATPL GS, and you dint get a job with an airline or any flying company and have been without a job for few years after completion of training then yes I will go for this job (working for free)
Its not a bad deal for pilots with low hours with no jobs.

You pay them $100,000 and work for free for a long time, then get Mickey Mouse wages for 5 years.

There is a worldwide pilot shortage so the rumor goes.. The days of pilots being exploited by the unscrupulous should be over.

What if the company goes bankrupt? Boom, you've just lost your money.

man, these posts alone would discourage you from working with this airline. Sounds like petty arguments and minor issues are daily occurances!


Ax

Jordan Aviation
 

hi guys, newbie here. Does anyone knows jordan aviation? how's that company? i'm just getting information that they are opening for several position.

re
 

You mean Jordan Violation??


sorry I had too.. :)

Hi every one,

I’m new here. I just got accepted to enter the APSD program to earn a type rating on B737-300. Then they guaranty hire with Jordan Aviation. This all sounds good. The only thing is that I have to come up with $25,000 and sign a 5yr contract and a $100,000 bond contract.... Has any one been through this program? Is it any good for a low time pilot???

Now, I would be the first to admit that I know little about Jordan Aviation, other than the fact that I see their airplane(s) in JED from time to time, however....

Considering the above quote, I am reminded of the rather well known statement by PT Barnum...

"There is a sucker born every minute."

re
 

I would have to second 411A'a opinion here... The carrier is considered a joke around these parts.. and paying for typerating AND a 5 year BOND of $100 000.. Have some self respect!! Sure alot of LCC demand selfsponsored typeratings but only bonds u for 2 years. If you want to work in the middle east both QR and Gulfair seem to accept fresh from the academy without experience nor do they seem to need gulf nationality.. both options are way better even if u only get to fly as second officer..

I just got that offer from them too and after reading all post here, they are pretty stink!! Who would spend $100,000 for 737-300?? If you go to Eagle Jet International or Sim Centre in US, you can do type rating for $8500 for 737-400 or $12000 for A320..the cheapest is 737-200 for $5500..Then you can buy 500 hours for $15000 and they'll send you to new airlines in India...with type rating and 500 hrs on type, it is 90% gurantee you can get a job in good airlines and you start off with good $$$. Who would wanna work free for 5 years $100000 worth if can spend about $25000 and get a good paid job. My mate here in Australia did Sim Centre A320 type rating and time building program in US, after type rating while waiting for Indian licence validation to go to India for 500 hrs, he got hire in Tiger Airways, Australia base. I would consider something like this.

I was born in middle east, made the move to AUS 11 years ago, my honest opinion about Jordan is that.. In Jordan its very easy to spent 1000 but hard to get $1 from them even if you have worked for it, DONT U EVER THINK OF living there, no customer service, taxi will rip you off no question and the list goes on and on. Not a good place to live for sure. Not to mention that if you walk with your wife in the poor part of Amman 100 men will look at her and want to eat her even if she is the ugliest woman ever..

Hahahahahh... True! and not true... Why would u want to go through the poor parts of amman?? just avoid it all togeter... nothing to see there anyway.. And I feel for u that your wife is the ugliest woman ever.. but I also have great respect for you that u still stick by her side.. kudos!

There are tones of worse places to live in... Taxis will rip you off in most countries in the world if you're not a native.. probably less so in amman then in the rest of the ME...

Hi everyone!!they are calling me to fly the 767 and Really dont know what to do???If anyone have more information I will really apreciate
regards