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Saffa_pilot 7th April 2022 06:02

Good day all... I would just like to find out if anyone who applied for a Type Rated DEC position in Feb has had any response yet? ie Been sent a link for the Online Assessment and Interview etc? I have not heard anything back yet, and wondering if maybe there was a problem with my application that I am unaware of.

CMD_ENGD 7th April 2022 16:40


Originally Posted by High Energy (Post 11211685)
No. used to but not anymore. Supply vs demand unfortunately.

Yeah I thought as much. One of my friends got everything arranged by FZ but that was last year.

Sick 7th April 2022 17:24

If they can't even be bothered to provide a ticket on their own network and hotac at their own corporate rates, they can forget current typed crew and make do with desperados who have no choice but to take a hit of hundreds of bucks in costs, but no shortage of spare time on their hands. Even Wizz are realising, they are having to come to the candidate, to get what they need.

Captain Kaboom 7th April 2022 19:39


Originally Posted by Sick (Post 11212055)
If they can't even be bothered to provide a ticket on their own network and hotac at their own corporate rates, they can forget current typed crew and make do with desperados who have no choice but to take a hit of hundreds of bucks in costs, but no shortage of spare time on their hands. Even Wizz are realising, they are having to come to the candidate, to get what they need.

Maybe, but the salary is four times that of Wizzair, no comparison.

limahotel 9th April 2022 14:09

Recruitment status
 
Hi,

does anyone have any info regarding the status of recruitment (F/O)? Currently, there are no open positions on FlyDubai's website.

fzuk 11th April 2022 17:09

flydubai?? think twice
 
Hello folks


To those who are motivated to join flydubai, i would suggest you to think million times before you even consider joining flydubai.



Pilots are extremely angry and frustrated than ever, and whoever denis is simply lying or cant afford to lose a job.

if you are ready to work night and day in a complete roaster mess, then apply for flydubai

if you are willing to work five days, then have one day off, another five days of flying, then apply for flydubai

if you are willing to work six days in a row, you go for turn around, then minimum rest for a layover, you come back for another flight with no day off at all, then apply for flydubai

if you are willing to work with no life, then apply for flydubai



Please advise your family about your working pattern if you have a family because you will not see them for five days. The only day off you will get between working days is to rest only, which means you will not be able to interact with them again.



Pilots are incredibly frustrated and can't express themselves to the management because they fear losing jobs. no one is happy with their roasters
  • people prefer night flights always do day flights
  • people prefer day flights always do night flights
  • people prefer layover flights always do turnarounds flights
  • people prefer turnaround flights always do layover flights


Before, pilots could bid for whatever they liked as per seniority. Now no one can get what they want to do. most of the pilots were happy before, but now no one.

now the Company has this newly introduced system called fair roaster but as funny as it sounds, its not fair at all

You get what they roaster for you. even before we had golden day off and now we don't have it.

When rosters are out, you are lucky if you can swap one flight, unlike before when rosters were not restricted.

you are allowed to make three swaps only again; you are lucky if you could swap one flight



What's funny is that the cabin crew can enjoy bidding and swaps fully, but pilots cant.

Simply pilots identified as trash in flydubai.

do yourself a favor and look for another airline

High Energy 12th April 2022 06:56


Originally Posted by fzuk (Post 11213904)
Hello folks


To those who are motivated to join flydubai, i would suggest you to think million times before you even consider joining flydubai.



Pilots are extremely angry and frustrated than ever, and whoever denis is simply lying or cant afford to lose a job.

if you are ready to work night and day in a complete roaster mess, then apply for flydubai

if you are willing to work five days, then have one day off, another five days of flying, then apply for flydubai

if you are willing to work six days in a row, you go for turn around, then minimum rest for a layover, you come back for another flight with no day off at all, then apply for flydubai

if you are willing to work with no life, then apply for flydubai



Please advise your family about your working pattern if you have a family because you will not see them for five days. The only day off you will get between working days is to rest only, which means you will not be able to interact with them again.



Pilots are incredibly frustrated and can't express themselves to the management because they fear losing jobs. no one is happy with their roasters
  • people prefer night flights always do day flights
  • people prefer day flights always do night flights
  • people prefer layover flights always do turnarounds flights
  • people prefer turnaround flights always do layover flights


Before, pilots could bid for whatever they liked as per seniority. Now no one can get what they want to do. most of the pilots were happy before, but now no one.

now the Company has this newly introduced system called fair roaster but as funny as it sounds, its not fair at all

You get what they roaster for you. even before we had golden day off and now we don't have it.

When rosters are out, you are lucky if you can swap one flight, unlike before when rosters were not restricted.

you are allowed to make three swaps only again; you are lucky if you could swap one flight



What's funny is that the cabin crew can enjoy bidding and swaps fully, but pilots cant.

Simply pilots identified as trash in flydubai.

do yourself a favor and look for another airline

I would take note of this. It is (mostly) factual. However if you go back in time to pre-Covid when we had bidding and PBS (flight/trip bidding) this was a totally different story. The moral of the story being that you are at the mercy of those directing procedures. Whether or not you agree with them, or they are logical to you or anyone is irrelevant. That’s sad because it has all the potential.

High Energy 12th April 2022 07:23


Originally Posted by Desertboki (Post 11211707)
The confirmed annual ticket home is government law that all UAE employees have to have. This also includes a ticket home at the end of your contract. My current company staff travel is free with upgrades available on request. Staff travel is good in flydubai but by no means outstanding and It is expensive. The best thing about flydubai is the Emirates staff travel period. You have a huge frequent network but you are low priority. Someone who joins Emirates tomorrow will get you offloaded for that last seat. Ask any friend you have from the UK or Brazil how easy it is to get a seat. The 3/6/15 year tickets does not exist. This is false information. Again ask current employees if this is true. It is not

Indeed, the return homebound ticket is UAE law. Good thing is nowadays that you can also use it to go elsewhere other than home. If there is a fare difference you pay the difference but now go on holiday etc on a confirmed ticket. Depends a bit on if the fare difference equals your otherwise standby ticket amount to see if it’s useful to you.

Regarding EK, yes true in part. It’s not cheap and yes you are lower prio simply because you are from a different company. But EK staff has lower prio than me on flydubai. And so it should be. You just got to build this in to your trips. EK’s prime markets like US, South America, South Africa and UK are tricky to get on. Due volume of pax or payload restrictions. (Damn 777…;-) As a fact, on my last 4 EK flights in the last 4 weeks (7hr and 16+ hr flts) my onload prio was higher than ALL EK staff, on ALL flights. This included 2 flts my parents took and because they use my date of joining they trumped EK staff despite the A380 being overbooked they were onloaded ahead of EK staff.

If I compare what flydubai allows me to do stafftravel wise it’s a million miles better than my massive EU national carrier back home. Not even to speak about their low cost subsidiary. Just to compare it setup wise. Would I like some changes to be made; oh yes. But is it good compared to becoming a pre-IATA airline and getting myIDTravel in 2015/2016? Remember those days…day and night difference right!

Lastly, please never ever accuse me of lying. You don’t work here anymore right (?) so you must be getting second hand info. I simply state facts. Have you friends re-check the e-mail send by HR on August 5th 2021 and come back to me. It’s called Service-Related Concession. (SRC)

fzuk 12th April 2022 17:06

Also not to mention the huge fatigue rates but again pilots are afraid of reporting fatigue Because simply the company don’t want them to report, otherwise flydubai will be in trouble with GCAA

fair culture is big in flydubai

The question is why their are more pilots leaving flydubai than joining pilots…?
can someone say the truth

High Energy 12th April 2022 20:48


Originally Posted by fzuk (Post 11214383)
Also not to mention the huge fatigue rates but again pilots are afraid of reporting fatigue Because simply the company don’t want them to report, otherwise flydubai will be in trouble with GCAA

fair culture is big in flydubai

The question is why their are more pilots leaving flydubai than joining pilots…?
can someone say the truth

Is there really a fear culture? Pilots afraid of reporting fatigued? Company doesn’t want us to report fatigue? Company will get in trouble with GCAA? Never heard such nonsense.

Common pls, no one is in trouble by reporting anything. If you are fatigued they want you to report fatigued. No punishment, no fear.

Especially for FO’s their rosters are upwards of 85/90hrs per month at times. For a while now. Reporting fatigued when we were flying next to nothing is indeed questionable. But rosters are back to being very busy nowadays.

Why are more people leaving than joining? A few facts I could think of that could apply to both seats;
1- No PBS anymore (flight bidding)
2- No swapping anymore. (Yes 3 per month possible but is it realistically possible at all…I’ll leave that open)
3- As a combination of 1+2 the rosters are tough across the board. Duty or stby adjacent to leave etc when days off were requested etc etc.
4 Package/benefits have fallen way behind over time as no (substantial) increase since forever.
5- To try and get a quicker command at EK.
6- No provident fund.
7- Seniority means 0.
8- Lack of forward financial increase outlook.
9- Leaving for US / home / private jets.
10- No retirement with proper travel benefits option
11-Yearly healthcare provider switch. (same same or less benefits usually)

I can also list 11 good things but looks like most here are not interested or only looking to talk bad about the company.

georgica 13th April 2022 16:05


Originally Posted by High Energy (Post 11214485)
Is there really a fear culture? Pilots afraid of reporting fatigued? Company doesn’t want us to report fatigue? Company will get in trouble with GCAA? Never heard such nonsense.

Common pls, no one is in trouble by reporting anything. If you are fatigued they want you to report fatigued. No punishment, no fear.

Especially for FO’s their rosters are upwards of 85/90hrs per month at times. For a while now. Reporting fatigued when we were flying next to nothing is indeed questionable. But rosters are back to being very busy nowadays.

Why are more people leaving than joining? A few facts I could think of that could apply to both seats;
1- No PBS anymore (flight bidding)
2- No swapping anymore. (Yes 3 per month possible but is it realistically possible at all…I’ll leave that open)
3- As a combination of 1+2 the rosters are tough across the board. Duty or stby adjacent to leave etc when days off were requested etc etc.
4 Package/benefits have fallen way behind over time as no (substantial) increase since forever.
5- To try and get a quicker command at EK.
6- No provident fund.
7- Seniority means 0.
8- Lack of forward financial increase outlook.
9- Leaving for US / home / private jets.
10- No retirement with proper travel benefits option
11-Yearly healthcare provider switch. (same same or less benefits usually)

I can also list 11 good things but looks like most here are not interested or only looking to talk bad about the company.

I am looking to join flydubai so please do list 11 good things. Presently, what is the expected time to command? Considering I have some previous PIC experience, different aircraft.

737driver2009 14th April 2022 07:00


Originally Posted by georgica (Post 11214916)
I am looking to join flydubai so please do list 11 good things. Presently, what is the expected time to command? Considering I have some previous PIC experience, different aircraft.

good things salary are on time, and the person you fly next to are easy going. done
no more honestly if you want to apply to flydubai be aware roster its aggressive, and the salary its the lowest in the area, i would apply better to air arabia, better benefits and better package in general

CMD_ENGD 14th April 2022 21:43

Visa denied!!!
 
I should attend the sim assessment on the 20th but my visa has just been denied. So annoying!!!

anyone knows if I can reapply within the time remaining and how? Thanks

B Crew 16th April 2022 07:59

Oh ... to that list, you can now add, they are looking at cancelling summer leave in July and August !

georgica 16th April 2022 11:40


Originally Posted by 737driver2009 (Post 11215172)
good things salary are on time, and the person you fly next to are easy going. done
no more honestly if you want to apply to flydubai be aware roster its aggressive, and the salary its the lowest in the area, i would apply better to air arabia, better benefits and better package in general

You must be talking about CPT salary...10-11k euro for FO is the lowest in the area? Is this for real??

Desertboki 16th April 2022 14:22


Originally Posted by B Crew (Post 11216224)
Oh ... to that list, you can now add, they are looking at cancelling summer leave in July and August !

What is this ? I thought the recruitment drive had 4000+ applying.

Desertboki 16th April 2022 14:29


Originally Posted by georgica (Post 11216326)
You must be talking about CPT salary...10-11k euro for FO is the lowest in the area? Is this for real??

It is first officer position. Yes flydubai are the lowest paid pilots in the region apart from Wizz air Abu Dhabi. They also have the worst benefits. It is high compared to the rest of the world but not in UAE.

excrab 16th April 2022 17:06


Originally Posted by Desertboki (Post 11216408)
It is first officer position. Yes flydubai are the lowest paid pilots in the region apart from Wizz air Abu Dhabi. They also have the worst benefits. It is high compared to the rest of the world but not in UAE.

But for anyone applying to Flydubai it is the rest of the world they will be comparing it with. As a 737 captain in the U.K. my take home pay is about £70k - £80k per year, in flydubai depending upon hours flown it was between £120k - £140k. In order to have that much in the bank each month in the U.K. I would have to have a gross salary of about £240,000 per year which will never happen.
It is somewhat unfair to say they are the lowest paid in the UAE, as there are only three other airlines and two of those are flying widebody and primarily long haul. The only real comparison is Air Arabia, so you could just as easily say that Flydubai are the second highest paying short haul airline in the UAE. It just depends if you have an anti flydubai agenda.

B Crew 16th April 2022 19:25


Originally Posted by Desertboki (Post 11216404)
What is this ? I thought the recruitment drive had 4000+ applying.


Yes, email out today requesting pilots volunteer to give up summer leave in july / aug due crew shortage. If not enough volunteers, FZ will be forced into choosing between cancelling flights or pilots leave. Go figure.

It appears pilots are leaving faster than fz can get the new joiners trained and on line , hence the predicted shortfall.


Desertboki 17th April 2022 05:59


Originally Posted by excrab (Post 11216472)
But for anyone applying to Flydubai it is the rest of the world they will be comparing it with. As a 737 captain in the U.K. my take home pay is about £70k - £80k per year, in flydubai depending upon hours flown it was between £120k - £140k. In order to have that much in the bank each month in the U.K. I would have to have a gross salary of about £240,000 per year which will never happen.
It is somewhat unfair to say they are the lowest paid in the UAE, as there are only three other airlines and two of those are flying widebody and primarily long haul. The only real comparison is Air Arabia, so you could just as easily say that Flydubai are the second highest paying short haul airline in the UAE. It just depends if you have an anti flydubai agenda.

You say money can not buy you happiness, Hababi come to FlyDubai.


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