EY346Driver


I have nothing against you or any other DEC mate. It’s the concept which is wrong. Sorry if we do not agree but when I came here it was a career movement or I thought it was. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.


I am sure a lot of people have found our posts very useful. What gives me great “relief” is when I inform others about the real working conditions. Our main source of pilots nowadays is from airlines like Air Arabia and Qatar. These poor guys have the wrong perception about EY. They think that we have better salary better working conditions and command prospect is better. The EY recruitment team is lying as usual. They are promising 320/330 MFF for those that are coming as A320 DECs while working conditions are getting worst and worst day by day.

Relief well said, now you're talking.

Sadly I dont have first hand experience in promises made in the interview. I was told by the guys on my course who are f/o's that they were told to expect about 3 years for command. I also agree that when you've accepted a job knowing that in 3 years you are eligible for a w/b command and suddenly that becomes a n/b command it's both frustration and dissapointing.
However if the expansion plan they have in mind materializes (order of about 100 aircraft soon coming) then I seriously doubt that any of you guys will be flying for long the A320.

Cheers

The End
 

Guys I think that we can stop this subjet.

People will be Upgrade on 320. May be a few will get 330 there is always

lucky guys...

After all this thread conclusion are

1. Upgrades are coming :ok:

2. Salary have to be improve or fixed ( huge distance 320=340)

320 cap. will never get 50k in a overtime month....:{

3. Command it is command !!! so Take it. :)

4. Many lies on Iterviews :suspect:

5. PLEASE, MINIMUN DECs !!!!!



Fly safe !!!!!

I keep reading things like "lies on the interview" If something is that important to you have them put it in writing...

boeing upgrades
 

Why should boeing pilots not upgrade on 330. Why compare a 6 year to a 6 month pilot on type? After all, the boeing guys are ALL more senior to be upgraded. If the acft types we reversed, I wonder if airbus pilots would be bitching about upgrading on boeing types?

After all, isn't it bad enough we have to re-train for airbus?? :mad:

PS : I'm sure you are now convinced about the boeing guys upgrading on 330 in May.

Being a boeing man, I would think your english should be alot better. Really hard to make out what you're babbling about. :confused:

YES you may be Senior Pal , BUT OM-A clearly STATES .

That Crossfleet Upgrades shall be done on Fleets with Vacancy .
SO that is A-320 Period .


So , Again Management is not complying with what is in Black and White or at least they havent clearly said so.
I may be mistaken and you will be going to A-320

After some of you 777 guys have already gone to airbus recently there have been suddenly U/G vacancies on 777 . Is this not so ?

This is just bad Planning and it seems its gonna continue .

Have fun with the Airbus .:ok:

Hey Cantilever you are right ,

Now that you mentioned it . They should be transparent and publish the Seniority List of the F/O only with their actual hours .

This way at least we all know who is next in line .

safe Flying:ok:

Cantilever
You are spot on.

A320PLT
From your comment I can see that you have no idea about Middle East. You can get whatever you want in writing but that doesn’t mean much.
Let’s read again the new “written” policy below:
"As part of a longer term strategy the A320 fleet has been selected as general base model for direct internal command courses. This rule applies for command courses starting in May 2008".
"Herewith Etihad follows general best practice of the major carriers of the world and will be able to cover the steady demand on the rapidly growing A320 fleet. In any case internal upgrades should have priority over the hiring of direct entry captains whenever possible."VPFO( Acting ) ...
Now let’s start counting how many DECs will join the A330/340 fleet after this new policy was introduced.
Our managers don’t even follow their own “written plans”. Few months ago when the A320 was introduced they came up with a policy of no upgrades due to “safety” concerns. Then of course most A320 FOs were asking the obvious: How are we going to be upgraded if there are no upgrades on the A320? Our managers’ answer: All upgrades will be on the base model, the A330. This is what they were giving in writing up to one day before they sent us this crap.
Also few months ago they sent us their “written” plan which was about the number of upgrades per month including B777 FOs. All upgrades were for the A330to cover a 6 month period Jan-June. Well here you go. Now we have a new “written” plan-policy right in the middle of the previous one.

SandDragon
All B777 FOs who are due for upgrade will fly the A330 from the right seat for 6 months in order to gain the necessary Airbus experience. After the 6 months it will be left seat A320 for them.

Hi ,Relief ,

At least you are clearing a panorama that should have come out in a transparent way from our management.

Thks,

A320PLT
From your comment I can see that you have no idea about Middle East. You can get whatever you want in writing but that doesn’t mean much.


No I don't so I look to you guys in the mix to let me know. Thanks by the way. I don't understand the whole fly in a aircraft six months in order to upgrade in it. I guess one of the many differences over there.

EY346Driver

Isn`t changing upgrades from 330 to 320 an erosion of terms and conditions already :confused:

I feel sorry for the FOs who have to upgrade on 320 (workwise, money, lifestyle etc.) and remember EY has no approval from GCAA for MFF 320/330 up to now. What kind of FOs does EY want to attract now when they have to wait 3-4 years (at least) for command on the 320, when you can have it on a WB down the road?

As you say :Things should be getting better not worse.

By the way :

Command 320 - CCQ 330 = 15 days ground course / 18 sim. sess.
Command 330 - CCQ 320 = 10 days ground course / 14 sim. sess.

But who cares about money - can`t be stabilized early enough on approach!

# of Sim sessions?
 

Wako,

That sounds like an awful lot of sim sessions? Does not sound right to me

Any chance on getting on as an A320 FO with the mins posted on the website?

# of Sim sessions?
 

Sir Osis,

Have a look into EY OMD - you do the math (ETOPS taken into account):ok:

Boeing-man, so the base aircraft is now changed back to the 330, correct? Well if it’s true then we have a new record then. The previous policy was published less than a month ago and is now changed again.


I have to agree with Sandyballs on this. The way they do things is a disgrace. Our future depends on how many applications from DECs they have at any given time. It looks like they are unable to attract more DECs for the time being so they have decided to keep their options open. No wonder why they do not want to have a clear policy on this.


Never mind I don’t really care anymore. I enjoy watching all the new DECs who complain and cry like babies after they realize what they have done to their self’s and their family by coming here. I hope they enjoy the new company housing in mussafa industrial camp.

Guys can anyone tell me about the interview process with etihad please anyhing will help. Thanks

Relief,

You should be ashamed of yourself.

With statements like that you just show everyone how immature and childish you are.

Never wish for others what yoiu wouldn't want for yourself.

DECs make their decisions based on the market and the companies'offers.
Why should you blame them ????

I'm not one of them, but maybe I'll have to become one , one day, you never tknow what future is made of.

You should blame the management that is doing this instead of promoting their own people..... Guess what, they don't care , coz you're already in EY, and they don't need to attract you again.
They trapped you already, and they need to trap more, by using DEC, upgrades, widebody mirage offers, keeping in mind that they never gonna give anybody anything.

We have to stand up and all together, even if I know that it's an expat and individual world. EY succeed in making all people angry, sothat it makes it easier to have more and more people aiming for the same goal

Have EY changed shorlty or Leave

That's the first time in years that I can see such a wide disappointment , nad more important a silent and strong will .

EY Mgt knows, and the more silent it is, the worse it is for them as they don't know what's going on.....
A lot of guys meet already together , moaning , but having common thoughts and decisions, and yes Mgt has to worry.......

Can't wait to see that...it takes time but it's cooking so hard

Since we're inexperienced to cmd widebody's how is farting around to BAH, DOH and MCT etc gonna help us fly to Europe, USA and Ozz? Also don't see EK having much of a prob upgrading their F/O's onto the widebodies. Fair enough they have nothing smaller but the point is they are not having any issues upgrading directly onto the widebody. Come up with a better excuse!!!!!!!!!!!

EY346Driver


When are you going to realize that our working conditions get worst because of us. We are our own enemies. WHY? Because we are accepting what is unacceptable. Those people who are willing to go so low and compromise their families they deserve it. MOST OF THEM HAVE A CHOICE. They know what is on offer. The MUSSAFA INDUSTRIAL 10 TOWER ETIHAD MODERN CAMP is the only available company provider accommodation. Every time a new Joiner signs in, our managers get together and have a good laugh. Maybe they are right to do so. I was lied and fooled by promises made by them but I had never nor will I ever compromise my working conditions, my lifestyle and my family if I know from before.


You say I am “immature and childish”. Well at least I have the decency to tell people the truth and give them the facts. Whether is about bad housing, bad rostering or DEC policy, it is all WRONG. If something is wrong then it’s wrong. It doesn’t matter what the excuse is. Most people prefer to listen now and understand later. Let it be then.

I believe that just the idea of having to live in Mussafa will stop any applicant from accepting the job. If I were to be moved to Mussafa I would resign with NO notice.

Cantilever I dissagree my friend, the best way is to get rid of little pratts like Relief who are a disgrace to this profession.

Luckily enough he doesn't represent the vast majority of our F/O's who are mature professionals and get on with the job without crying like little girls.

When we act in the manner that relief does how on earth do you expect management to take us seriously? They sit back and enjoy how we work hard to beat each other to death.

It doesn't change how EY is behaving.....
We, pilots, are an average sample of population, with different characters, wills, aspirations, life goals, cultures....and so on and on....
So Management is.....

Not a good situation……Our recruitment department did after all attract these applicants by telling them that they could expect a wide body command within 2 to 3 years, but having said that, I do agree that a command on a A320 is a good start.

I think the best way to change the way some look at the A320 fleet is to make it more attractive…….a sector allowance would be a good start, (maybe the boys in the office should have a look at Easy / Air Arabia’s website for information on how to implement a sector allowance) this would make the A320 more attractive! And don’t forget about the cabin crew, they stand to lose quite a bit of the readies as well.

Don’t make fool of yourself. Your “big red fonts” won’t prevent me from posting the FACTS. You are wasting a lot of energy writing meaningless posts. Our future colleagues don’t care if my balls are big or small. And certainly don’t care if my command would be on the big or the small Bus. What they are interested to know among others is how their new company provided accommodation will look like, where is located and most important what kind of lifestyle they will enjoy. They are interested to know of our managers style and if policies are consistent. They are interested to know the percentage of DECs Vs UPGRADES.
It is always a combination of all of the above plus some other things (roster, pension fund, etc) that make an Airline good or bad. It is never one thing alone. The only thing you seem to mention in most of your posts in this forum is money.
Nevertheless, your input is very valuable. So please let us know of your thoughts about the new Company provided accommodation.


Now about balls again. Bellow is what I said earlier in this thread. It is always nice to read before you post.


You see I don’t like to discuss this kind of issues on the internet. In fact I think it is wrong and I never thought that I would be doing that before I join EY. But I have no choice when I see posts like yours and when our bosses don’t want to listen or don’t care. Then discussing it here is our only hope. And to be fair I don’t know who is behind this new policy but I am sure all of them visit PPrune.


It was not just me who went to see the “Bosses” in the office. And I have already posted the outcome:

Our future depends on how many applications from DECs they have at any given time. It looks like they are unable to attract more DECs for the time being so they have decided to keep their options open. No wonder why they do not want to have a clear policy on this.

Can you then please explain this comment you made, because either I don't understand your english or you have a selective memory.

Each and every post you make expresses your discomfort with us DEC's. I suggest you pack your diapers and find an airline that does not employ DEC's to solve your problem.

Well Im guesiing that at least 70% of EY Capts are/were DEC....does that mean he is pissed at all of us!? :}

Hi guys

i would be very pleased if someone knows about etihad requirements for F/O.Do they require the full atpl???I am still with the frozen atpl but I am going to unfreeze it in the next few months...How is life on the small bus there???Please do not tell me that everything is a huge mess like in the other threads.:}

All the best
Doc

I am certain they will require full ATPL:ok:

Must have full ATPL.

Relief,

This is getting real tiring and frankly I don’t want to continue arguing with the likes of you.

It’s a pretty simple matter here my boy, you cannot build from the ground up in a matter of four years an international airline with over 40 aircraft without DEC’s. If you can understand that fine, if not then I fear you should return to your toys and let the grown ups do the talking.

This July they will announce an aircraft order of around 100 aircraft, how exactly do you think they can crew these aircraft? Even if we upgrade all f/o’s (including you God forbid) they still aren’t enough.

The fact of the matter is that in every airline there is a small bunch of spoilt little brats that whine and bitch about everything. You are a shinning example of just that. Even if you get your upgrade on the A340 you’ll still find something to bitch and whine about because you’re a miserable little sod.
To make your despicable little life seem just a bit better you find comfort in seeing your colleagues who you envy because they are better qualified than you suffer because of the company housing. How pathetic that makes you look.

If you are implying that you are such professional then yes for once we agree, EY doesn’t need the likes of you so I’m really glad you’ve packed your diapers. If only your next outfit knew what gem they’re getting.

In the meantime be a good boy and try not to throw all your toys from the pram.

EY346Driver You are so predictable. I was using you to demonstrate the chosen path of our management. Among some very good people we have some very desperate who rush like idiots to claim they know everything but have no clue about aviation and of what they say. Very arrogant people who demand respect and have no decency. You are perfectly reflecting our management. In fact you deserve to be here. Thanks for the excellent show.

What are the trips like for the A320?

Relief,

My, who's a clever boy then.

Kids
 

Dear Relief and EY346...

Can you stop !

We are here to talk about A320 Upgrade... is already ON .

Mr EY346driver for sure you are very happy geting nice salary with maybe 6 sectors and 50 hrs on the bunk,well your colleague on 320 get 20% less doing 20 sectors in 15 days. What do you think...
Most of the only 340 rated are DEC and the get more money than a senior
330/340 Cap. And noway to compare with the guys who will do 320 Upg.
It is not your fault but come on Senority is crap.

Mr Relief I think toy r us is open tomorrow...


Guys do not make war,Make LOVE !

The EY pilot factory program doesn't help either.. You've got plenty of 20 somethings who are willing to do anything for free training.

Yes it is...
 

I just spoke few days ago with one of the Top top guys, they have a lot of guys to come.
Now they are going to USA and later south America,Emirates went there and they got a quite a few guys.

The more pilots , the less increase. JH please go back to Kanguruland !!!! and take all your pets also.

Keep in trim !!!!