Qatar Airways
 

"Life" in Doha....No comment..:\ well..
Here you will be surrounded by people who suffer from a huge lack of discipline and education, rules are here for decoration (except the religion one,just to give you an example and i´m sure you will understand what i´m talking about:You can smoke in any public place ,coffee shop,restaurant...although it´s NOT ALLOWED by QATARI law,nobody will bother you as you are intoxicating people surounding you, but..don´t try to have a cigarette during Ramadan ..in the street....you may be put in jail...!!)Qatar is the most "closed" country in the gulf after Saudi,compared to other place ,Bahrein,Abu Dhabi,Dubai,Muscat.,and one of the most expensive as well in the Gulf(even Dubai is cheaper!).
-The main Hobby here for peole is..Shopping...:uhoh:
-Nice weather in the winter(november till april),summer is terrible.
-Car Gas cheap.

Oh come on, Doha is a GREAT place to live ....

Guinness now only QR36 a pint :eek:

ten bucks says that pappy85027 is now thinking "c-mon guys. it cant be all that bad."

then he thinks that he's geting a response from the 5% negative/distructive minority you find in any companie.

come over pappy It's about the same as Phoenix and you can have a proper Irish draught. I'm afraid you will have to change your alias to puppet though.

im kinda thinkin like pappy too...cant b tht bad .ppl with bad experiences come here and spread the rumour and ppl with good experiences cant b bothered to do jack !!!! ...so guess the stories come from a selective type of frustrated ppl :ugh:way to go guys...u hav all ears:ok:

Very relaxed.
Fairly simple tech questionnaire, short 10 mins interview with 2 fairly basic tech questions. 320 or 330 sim with t/o into the visual pattern to land, eng cut after v1 followed by vectors to the ils to overshoot, repos on the ils for a full stop.
Spoken with a couple of pilots they didn't seem as desperate as ppruners, the average ppruners is slightly desperate and with a tendency to winge!
I'm waiting for a reply rom QR!
Good luck and happy new year.

Dear Snam, looking into greener pastures? Ciao.

pappy
 

Any reason why you want to jojn QR instead EK or EY ?

NYc pilot...Not only American pilots...others as well...:)
Good you didn´t do the mistake to come here in QR...
Happy 2008.
Cheers

True SNAM
But some people prefer to whinge then do something about it, like leaving.
They spend their whole lives bathing in misery, whining like sad wet puppy's, instead of taking charge of their own destiny and going somewhere else where they'd be happy.

True,


but some people are being conned into joining here (only 1 year to upgrade, beautifull villas for all new joiners, plenty of Schools around with spaces available,expat lifestyle in cosmoplotitan Doha,....)

These people arrive here and can not leave anymore....

Qatari515

There is NO excuse for not doing your homework before you come here. There is SO MUCH non company supplied information available to anyone who wants to get off their ass and find it to help make a decision whether QR or the gulf is for them.

Snam,if you want to make a clever post next time..Better you advice people with some dignity not to come to Q.R( not like those idiot who applaud AAB during a pilot meeting after beeing insult by him).

Very true my friend, very true. The virtues described by you will make the integration into QTR very difficult however even most enthusiastic folks do get beaten down and eventually cracked by Qatar's Airline way of running the operations let along the training standards and hypocrisies the management applies on daily basis. Just remember one thing you're considered to be a bit higher payed labor a$$. No one is interested in what you think or want.
Happy new year!!!

Snam, I do agree with you as that was what I did...

But you would be surprised how many grown ups/adult pilot join here, believing everything they where told at the interviews and ignoring forums like this one, only to be totally dissapointed as soon as they arrive here.

I ve heard it all, Ive seen it all.....A lot of pilots are total dumbasses.....No wonder managements all over the world are having such a ball!

No wonder they see us as busdrivers....


No wonder they see us as weak idiots who know nothing but to push a button to get an aircraft from A to B.


We do it ALL to ourselves!

He He He
 

Before you jojn plz read all memos issued by great AAB CEO about what is not alowed in QR and make decision after that . O yea there is many things not written but still NOT ALOWED !
Did you know if you want to bring youre mother which is older than 60 y old you need to get approved by CEO ? So if he dont like you guess .
Did you know that you can be terminated if you date a cabin crew ?
Did you know that not all cabin crew can enter cockpit ? Only CS and R1 if you bring any other its a warrning letter and you cant be promoted or transfered to other type for 1 y and after you need CEO cleareance.
Did you know that any transfere or promotion has to be cleared by CEO like he is TRE and CEO all in 1 . And some people never got promoted becouse ( it come to his attention ) by cabin crew that this pilots talked against him .
Plz inform youre self before you come .
AAB just hate pilots becouse we have more fun with CC than him !

SNAM, most successful goat recruits have a driving motivation to escape something really bad: poverty, unemployment, violence, knife wielding ex-wife, etc...

If you are whining about your life in Europe, you are probably going to hate the desert. So your boss bullies you; like you suggest yourself, big deal. Life really could get much worse for you. But it seems you are determined to make this discovery yourself.... congratulations.

Great SNAM...But don´t even try to compare UAE with Qatar, or EY,EK with Qatar airways.....
In my opinion still very difficult to have a real image of a company till the day you are really working for them..that´s why you have to be very carefull..expecially here..
For the country itself,yes it´s obvious, if you come to Qatar, you will immediatly note the difference with UAE or other place in the gulf.:hmm:
Did you known as well if during your Osaka flight you take you due rest in First instead of Business class(for ex if first is empty), you may be reported by the CSD...(yes.. Qatar airways is a kindergarden), result: money will be deducted at the end of the month from your salary..and not a small amount...10.000QR for example...yes this happens here in Qatar Airways...
Is it normal....?
So i don´t think people who are complaining here are close-minded as you mentioned before(the real close minded guy here is the Ceo and his surrounding mafia)...join us for a while and you will understand....

Sounds like a really backward airline, does the QR management have any education, this is not something you expect in a modern world, I am really suprised that QR have any pilots and staff left, or for that matter the airline exists.

The CEO sounds like a stupid guy with no brains who needs to get out in the modern world and modernise himself, do you think if he ever decided to leave, QR will be a better place?

QR
 

Ok you are half Lebanese . In Europe you have som kinda law but in QR no souch thing like CEO terminate cabin crew for no reason and she has a loan which bank wanther to settle in one time if she wants a letter for imigration clereance and she cant pay in one time guess what happen? After 8 days she become iligal and she is send to jail . Its sad true CEO is idiot !

SNAM
 

Hi SNAM!
Thanks for all your infos!
Still wondering why you hide your airline you are working for...
Would like to make my own picture!
Some friends of mine working for Easyjet and Ryanair and telling me different stories.

EU
 

If its true what you are talking SNAM QR would be flooded with unhappy cabin crew from EU and true is that we have 88 % Asian crew from poor places .

Still wondering why you hide your airline you are working for...
Would like to make my own picture!
Some friends of mine working for Easyjet and Ryanair and telling me different stories.

Dont think he is hiding his airline with that description, i recognise the descrption only to well! And it isnt Easyjet.

Going back to the thread, if QR is so bad are there not ample opportunites in Emirates and Etihad? or is there a policy of not recruiting from each other?

Snam, don't fall into the trap of comparing the FR with QR. The bottom line is, in the West you still have the chance to defend your rights and a bit of luck even be the winner. Over here, I say it again, you're less than Zero when it comes to anything regarding your rights. It's OK to be bulled by the a$$es in the commercial management, it's a common thing all over the world. QR's flight ops specialty is patronizing their crews in a very close cooperation with the dick heads from rostering. You will be amazed of the scope childish behavior prevails over here. Anyhow suite yourself.

Hey SNAM, so maybe your boss is an ass. But now you have really got me wondering; which is the worst airline to work for? Is it the Desert Goat or the Euro Goat?

But why not broaden the survey whilst we chat?? Maybe there is a far away prison camp that can beat the two goats for Worlds Worst Run Airline title.

I say The Desert Goat is right down there close to the very bottom. Cannot think of anything good to say. Sorry.... 1st class catering is very nice. Three cheers for the cook.

pappy85027
 

Sorry, but the great problem in Doha or actually in the Gulf are the "expatriate". All time fighting with other "expatriate". :( This is :mad:.

to LOC22550
 

Mr LOC22550 if you don't like the place just get lost and find some where elese to feed your family.i'm wondring where do u use to live :mad: and i think if the place you came from is better you wouldn't leave it:}

take it easy toyboy... no matter what the conditions are, people will complain this is the nature of human being. beside that locc has few valid points. try to cop with bit of criticism.

safe flying

Snam: This has nothing to do with following rules or not... This has to do with the kind of mentality and kids we have amongst the cabin crew.
Before you report somebody we can talk each other(like adult...) and try to solve the problem instead of just reporting him or her without telling anything....(this happens in primary school)...this just shows the level of hypocrisy and honesty we have here...
Cheers.

Just the facts about money etc..

Base is Ok taking into account dollar plunge isnt an issue for latin americans.

Housing, you will be offered a 3 bedroom apartment in a decent compound (decent NOT great), if you try to get your own place money is not enough.

Transportation, if you leave in that compound they offer you and have kids you definetly need 2 cars so is not enough to pay the monthly payment of 2 average cars (dont do the classic mistake and go for the Land Rovers, BMW etc.).

School is enough for an average school, that is if you can find one, I think school is a really tough subject in the Gulf (not only Doha).Couple of guys left QR because they could not get a school for their kids, or go find a !!!!ty one.

Exotic destinations mmmmmmm, not on 320 dont think India is as you see it on Travel Channel.

Well just a little info, my advice there is a more mature carrier very close from Doha, because if you think a lot of 320 time will put you closer to a left seat that is absolutely false. Command time is easy 5 years nowadays.

Ok remember as they say in your country, "prometer hasta meter, una vez metido al chin...... lo prometido"

Ups i almost forgot you will NEVER fly 80 hrs on 320 maybe 60 if lucky.
CS reports and all that 100% truth wath you have read here

Been here 8 years now. Never had even 30 seconds of hassle with the cabin crew. Treat them well, they'll look after you, same as everywhere. They do a tremendous job given how difficult the CEO makes it for them.

Moving to the Gulf is a big decision especially if your bringing your wife and kids. Dont underestimate it, its not for everyone. Some wives have come and loved it, others hated it. If it was me I'd come for a week or two with my wife, meet with some families in a similar circumstance and ask them all the questions you need answers to.

Good luck.

salia
 

Good news today. Mr Salia known as a Snake is in trouble and his post will be taken by PO Elias. I think CEO had enaf of licking and naw he need job to be done.

Hi guys,
What kind of accommodation Qatar provide to captains? Also a 3 bedroom apartment?
Thanks in advance

Does anyone have any specific info on what is involved in the screening process for B777 Captain's position?

They say two days, one for interview, and one for Sim.

Also does anyone know the basics of the contract being offered?
Any commuting, available or not?

I'm a bystander within this thread but I'll be coming to Qatar within the next couple of weeks to fly a desk... my flying days are now over!

Having spent thirty-odd years flying large aeroplanes I can tell you that the good old days of flying are over. My previous airline was much the same as any other... crew control are given the rules to roster you by and they simply apply those rules; if they don't, they get some grief too! The 'bean-counters' are truly the fly in the ointment because it's they who determine the number of crew to efficiently fly your route network. As a general rule, cabin crew aren't the best paid people in any given airline, but they too have a need to make advancements and that they too do their very best to work within the given guidelines/rules. Given that the Cabin Crew work on the 'front line' and are face to face with your customers you'd think that they'd have a salary to match the quality of service that they're required to give; but probably not!

The rules are set in place by the QCAA (Flight Time Limitations) and I can tell you that they are identical to the UKCAA, so you'd think that there would be no difference in rostering to that of any other UK airline? The bottom line here is, I guess, is that you've agreed to those rules, and if the rules so dictate that you work for a maximum of 900 flying hours per annum... that's exactly what the airline wants from you; that's the commercial sense of the airline and it's called profitability! Therefore, if your airline is experiencing growth, you can expect to get close to those limitations. It's interseting to note though, that those 900 hours are 'flying hours' and not 'duty hours', which can, and will, make a whole lot of difference to your working week/month/year.

In conclusion, no matter whether you fly for QA or any other UK based airline, the rules are the same; therefore, it's up to you to decide whether or not you want to work in the sunshine or the rain! There are of course quite different cultures within each region which may or may not be your preference; but it's all about choice... your choice. My choice is to escape a crime riddled UK where it's not safe to even make eye contact with a hooded youth, because at best, you'll get some abuse, or at the other end of the scale, get a knife in your ribs! From a governmental point of view, if you stay in the UK you'll be taxed (robbed) to the extreme. As I've said previously, it's all about choice... as far as I'm concerned it's a 'no brainer'; I'm getting out of here!

A320 ops
 

Hello everybody,
can anyone give me some general info on A320 fleet ops? You know, roster, destinations, life style, flying hours, career prospects...the usual.
Looking forward to discover myself the real truth!

Many thanks

Bufe

Outhouse,


you must be joking right? So your judgement of a professional pilot stands or falls with the smoothness of a landing?

Has it ever occured to you that a smooth landing is a far cry from a safe landing in many cases? That it probably was a rather deep landing eating up runway length

That a soft landing in a modern airbus in many cases is just a question of leaving the autothrust on long enough to hear several retard call outs...


To the guy flying desks....

I dont know which position you will assume here but I wish you all the best...we need people with real experience. As long as you dont forget where you came from....being the flightdeck!

you are entitled for a villa Fly4Fun or housing allowance. Make sure you get the villa. Several senior guys are struggling with accommodation issue since the rule has been changed all over again and they are forced to move out by the land lords. It's all for the new joiners now not for the senior once. The more senior you get in QR the more you'll get screwed. New joiners will replace the old blokes, I guess. The moment any airline opens overseas bases some villas will get empty.

Thanks 9.G
Just one more question, does QR gives any utilities and furnishing allowance if you get company accommodation?

Safe landings :ok: