EK pilot statistics
 

Just in case you are interested: Based on Passport being used, 77 Nationalities, 1813 pilots. 50 US pilots recruited & online in the last year, says something about the industry over there. (any % not shown are less than 1.4)
GB 243 13%
AU 203 11%
CA 170 9%
AE 136 8%
US 117 6%
ZA 88 5%
NZ 80 4%
CH 60 3%
BR 59 3%
DE 57 3%
BE 53 3%
MY 42 2%
SE 40 2%
IT 32 2%
FR 29 2%
NL 29 2%
IE 28 2%
IN 28 2%
MX 25
MT 19
GR 18
NO 18
JM 16
PK 16
AT 15
EG 13
DK 12
ET 10
TT 10
CO 9
FJ 9
KE 9
OM 8
VE 8
ZW 8
TR 7
BO 6
CL 5
YU 5
AR 4
BH 4
DZ 4
FI 4
PH 4
CY 3
HR 3
IR 3
JO 3
PE 3
CZ 2
ES 2
KR 2
LK 2
LU 2
PG 2
PT 2
RU 2
SG 2
SI 2
TN 2
BG 1
CN 1
CR 1
EC 1
GD 1
GT 1
HU 1
ID 1
IQ 1
LV 1
MU 1
QA 1
SC 1
SK 1
TH 1
TO 1
1813

Good work:D

Aren't there 127 US pilots, 'cause surely Captain America counts for 10!!:cool:

Hmm, not sure what your statement is trying to say. I would say, rather, the opportunities here are greater for a pilot to end up flying captain on a widebodied aircraft within 3-4 years compared with 15-20 or so years traditionally in the US. And yet only 117 US pilots here? What would you say with such a small aviation landscape in the UK, OZ, and the great white north, comparatively, that we have so many pilots from those areas? With very few exceptions, every airline in the US is hiring and recalling fuloughed pilots. Only 50 US pilots in the last year? I would say that is a fairly paltry number compared with the number of ATP pilots in the US.

It's not all gloom and doom over there. Second year pay at UPS on an MD11 right seat is similar (money wise only) to captain's third year pay here. So if it is so good in the US why have 50 come over? Probably guys at the end of their careers and guys at the beginning of theirs'. To go from the RJ to the right seat of a 777/330 is a huge leap you won't find in many places in the US, except at UPS or FedEx. And traditionally, they hire mainly ex-military pilots. So a tougher nut to crack for a civilian RJ pilot.

But thanks for the info.

TU, not trying to say anything, no real point its just interesting, call off Michael Moore, there is no conspiracy here :}
Here are the stats for increase in pilots for
the last 3 years
GB 70 8%
AU 77 9%
CA 52 6%
AE 66 8%
US 98 11%
ZA 23 3%
NZ 14 2%
CH 29 3%
BR 58 7%
DE 31 4%
BE 34 4%
MY 33 4%
SE 11 1%
IT 20 2%
FR 26 3%
NL 20 2%
IE 10 1%
IN 8 1%
Total 874 increase in last 3 years
And the last year
GB 37 10%
AU 41 12%
CA 22 6%
AE 24 7%
US 50 14%
ZA 12 3%
NZ 10 3%
CH 11 3%
BR 34 10%
DE 16 4%
BE 9 3%
MY 1 1%
SE 0 1%
IT 4 1%
FR 9 3%
NL 9 3%
IE 3 1%
IN 3 1%
Total 356 increase in last year

Note this is based on current employees and does not include anyone that has left

Draw whatever conclusions you like, for some sad reason I find the diversity and migration habits of our nationalities interesting, there must be a good thesis in there on the rise and fall of global airlines.

I heard we are goig ot be expecting another input of ZA types, another company or part of SAA going down the slippery slope. Even if they all get in it will only be half the number we are looking for next year. Looks again like we are running out of places to get pilots - especially with the English test now a factor........
Up the package - like Korean and a couple of others have done and we may get some more people interested!!!
:)HINT HINT!!!!

Since it was mentioned earlier in another post, ill ask :confused:

Does EK hire drivers with the only jet time logged on RJ's???

Or does one need to have heavier jet time?

cheers

Lately the've been interviewing people with anything capable of sustaining safe flight..:E

TU,

I hate to disappoint you, but UPS and FED EX used to traditionally hire mainly ex-military pilots as you said but not anymore. They prefer narrow / wide body time, but they are hiring RJ guys like any other US major. Actually before the RJs took off as the regional choice, US majors hired at least half of the pilots with only Turbo prop experience. Yes the ex military always were the 1st choice but that pool had dried up long time ago.
There are a lot guys being hired these days by those 2 carriers that have no military time. Those days you're referring to are thing of the past.

75;
I said traditionally. That still is the case, but I will agree not to the point it was 10-15 years ago. Read some other web boards and see who is getting the interviews. The civilian guys are complaining becasue it still seems to be a good ole boy network, especially at FedEx. UPS wants heavy int'l time to open the door. Very few RJ guys are going to have that, but C17, 141, KC10/135 guys will. There are plenty of military 20 year guys getting out (age 42 or so) that are prime for those two carriers. So the well of military pilots isn't drying up quite like it is rumored. The other legacy airlines, because of their weak first several years pay are hiring lots of RJ guys.

The military commitment is much longer than in years past, so it is a tough call for a 11 year military pilot to get out and then go to the airlines (except FedEx and UPS). But if you go to any of the job fairs in the US, you will see plenty, and I mean plenty of military guys looking for jobs. Just ask Kit Darby at AIRINC how many military pilots sign up for his transition seminars during his job fair weekends.

I hear they need more than 500 pilots in 2008? We might see some more bebifits coming? Surely they will not find that many!

Why do you think that they went and got approval to resume factoring. They are not doing it now but give them a few months once the Toronto, Houston and Sao Paulo flights are all operating.

Wow! Must be your top bid month with so much time on your hands.

Interesting stats anyway.:D Which country is 'MY'? :hmm:

All these stats show are what types of passport-holders are joining. With the amount of pilots at Emirates holding passports from countries other than their country of birth, multiple passports, dual citizenship through marriage, etc...I'm not sure how accurate, and thus relevant those stats are in analysing the geographical demographics.

MY is Malaysia.

I thought it was MY TRAVEL.....:E

Aussie, I flew with a guy on the other day (new joiner) who, apparently, was flying one of those BAe146. Not sure if that counts for RJ flying.

Those stats are interesting stuff, but in end the day it is irrelevant whether the pilot is from North Korea or the South Pole with a Croatian passport, since everybody has to read from the SOP:)
Or at least, this what the company hopes will happen

Thanks for the info mate.

I was curious if any guys with jet hrs on the ERJ's are gettin a go at ek.

Cheers

Aussie,

plenty of FOs here with only RJ time before joining EK.

Hook

nolimitholdem: yes & no, they are a course measure to be sure, but they still give you more of a picture than no stats at all. As I said it is just kinda interesting.

Requirements for EK
 

never flown in the airlines

Applied 9 years ago trying to get the hell out of corporate in Saudi

Received an email recently to say" we understand you haven't updated you details for some time and welcome you to apply" followed by the usual Dubai is a great place to live.

I know, I have lived here for 3 years.

Only 8,000 hours command and 4,000 PIC biz jets. Nothing over 20,000 kg

Flown all over the world and filled up the list of airports operated to in the application like a christmas tree.

I am at the top of the best corporate eqipment on $10K/ month +++ all provided. Can I do the EK job, sure I can............ do I want to loose $$ for a few years.......I honestly don't know

The point is EK realise that 90% of biz jets have all have hi tech efis cockpits with HUDS, auto throttles, enhanced vision and now the 7 X is fly by wire. They cruise 6,000 nm at 0.86 M and have everything a rich guy would want in his private boat.

This will be the next pool of drivers they will want to take...............but will we come......

The big companies operate SOP's all day long so corporate guys now have CRM etc etc etc coming out their ears....... The transition to a regulated enviroment is no longer a stumbling block.

The question is who will cave in first???????????????

The airline needing crew because the fleet is on the ground costing $$$$ or the rich guy who demands his new aircarft has crew.......... considering the way they blow money on their vactaions, my money is the rich impatience corporate owner will cave in first and pay anything to have his crew on line. The airline can not make that descision in enough time to compete. I know a guy flying a true golf hero and he is on $18,000 / month................

What are your thoughts guys.

Well, Judging from the rumours that we'll be extending the PDP ( Pilot Development Program ) to DEC's, I'd say we're already on the downward slope.

Will someone with big enough balls please visit the top floor ASAP and tell them to STOP EXPANDING. Please!

Harry

Harry, you could tell them til you are blue in the face, they would still not listen. Dubai is 25% of the footprint size that Sheikh Mo plans it to be, the airline will be pivotal those plans.
Expansion is here to stay until something go's pop

No offense intended here but RJ guys are as good as qualified as any other airline pilot. The equipment in the CRJ is equally demanding as any Boeing etc.. I've flown both! I thought that flying RJ's kept me far more current than anything else in the airline biz. Flying 6 legs a day short runways montains all weather 1000 hrs a year made me a far more profficient than would be flying two legs a week and keeping current in the sim.

I really shouldn't bite...... but...

No one is arguing that CRJ or turboprop pilots are not fine aviators, especially as they will have much better currency of stick & rudder than us widebody boys. They do however lack the domain experience needed to safely operate in our diverse and sometimes challenging domain.

For example, imagine how well you would have controlled rest on a Himalayan route, with someone in either seat who has no experience of metric, Chinese airspace, etops, DARD (puke), HF, engrish, etc, etc, etc. Bit hard for them to make good quality decisions, when they just do not have the required experience to do so.

Yes they can read the Jepps (maybe), but it is not the same as having domain experience. Personally I have no problem with them at all, as long as the training system spends the appropriate amount of time to get them up to a decent level of domain ability. But there lies the problem, training does not have enough trainers to train the new trainers, because of all the trainers that have resigned (whoa).

So lets keep this intelligent, a Royal Navy pilot is REALLY good at skimming across the waves at 500mph and blowing up a battleship, a short haul pilot is REALLY good at short haul and a long haul pilot is good at...... :}:}:}

?who has no experience of metric?

It was real funny to mi?:)))
You could find some better argument?

P.s. Sorry for spell , I am from metric airspace?:))

Getting back to the numbers. I read yesterday that the number of Australian ATPL holders with current medicals has remained static at a fraction over 6000. That puts about 3% (200) working at Emirates. The other middle eastern airlines would likely bring this figure up to 5%. SE Asia (SQ,Cathay,Brunei,ect), must have 5%. Qantas could put its hand up for 35% and other domestic carriers 30%. Not sure where the rest are but the point I am trying to make is that there cannot be too many unemployed.

Dont forget the Aussies in Europe mate! There are more here then one would think!!

Things aren't SO good in the U.S. that people aren't looking at EK/EY/GF.

It's just...

Well, when they read pprune...

Well, you know...:eek:

:p ;)

Actually, we in the U.S. just aren't socialized to be expats. Even living in Europe (virtual America these days... :sad: ) seems REALLY exotic. I guess it's the fear of the unknown.

(Maybe if the U.S. had built an empire like the Brits, we'd be more comfortable with expat living. ;) )

Still not ruling it out for me and the family, maybe if Golden Falcon hadn't steered me clear... TC