This is the exact reason for the sad morale within EK. F-wits trying to justify there own existence and self importance to think that EK really needs their special skill. They recruit the cheapest option avail and after needing an initial bunch for the 343, voila, they figured it was more cost effective to continue this option. What a great ticket for a Ryanair type or charter pilot who wouldn't have a chance at a CX or SQ or any other top tier airline for a DEC position. Everyone knows the standard has dropped and they are desperate for bodies. Not their fault, just an ideal opportunity. Can't blame them one bit but what a joke. DEC's have always killed morale and always will. Morale took a serious turn in early 04 and has continued it's decline, just as the DEC's arrived. Keep in mind, all of these guys would be hired as FO's just 4 years ago....and johnnie might have just got his narrow body command four years ago. :sad:

The whole system is terrible but "what to do"? We all must get on with the job and make the best of it. Or leave, which is a very reasonable option.

Ok, gentlemen, you have had several reasons to justify low morale, dubious EK hiring procedure, etc, etc. But I have some questions:
First, if an airline offers you a DEC job what would you honestly say?
a. No, thanks, unless you give me a position as a copilot because I don't want to ‘kill morale’ and ‘break the seniority list’.
b. Yes, when does my training start?
I don’t believe if someone would say A, but is a fault if your option is B? No, absolutely not, because for a long time, everywhere, several major, small, top-notch or poor airlines have been hiring DEC. However, what have you done to modify it or implement for example a cost-effective training instead of looking for bush pilots to fly as a DEC at EK? Have you tried to contact who is really responsible for this situation? Do you really think that Johnpilot and any other John Doe have motivated this situation and complaining anonymously at Pprune you will deserve more respect and EK could certainly review its attitude starting upgrade courses next week? Do you really think that EK will park its airplanes tomorrow if 100 FOs leave the company? Are you sure that all FOs agree with your opinions and would follow a strike or a mass resignation? If yes, why don’t you organize your group to get a more productive attention than telling jokes about those captains or your strategy during next flight with one guy of that group of Cessna captains when he asks for a gear up you will be brave enough as demonstrated here to say ‘do yourself’?
Question of courage, decency, real objectives and results. With these messages here... Never!
Good luck.

Hamil, making a comment like that, it's obvious you don't live in the Sandpit. 'Organising a group' would smack of the 'u' word, and in the Sandpit, I can't think of a single word - (with the possible exception of 'zionistentity':)) - more likely to send senior management into a slavering frenzy. We don't even use that 'u' word in conversation; we say 'onions' instead.

Even if it was allowable to grow 'onions', a quick glance at the posts above should show you that the incredibly clever employment policies of EK recruiting since the company first started have ensured they have in their employ a so widely disparate pilot group that co-operation among pilots in forming a common policy to combat the hiring practices of those very same recruiters would be well-nigh impossible.

Mensa BOY, while you may not agree with yankee plitics, your hatred for American citizens is a bit unbecoming, think about the nice "stable" life and employment you would enjoy if their corrupt practices didnt include a large military presence in the gulf....mmm...

Hamil,

I don't think anyone is on johpilot's case for accepting a DEC position. If I'm not mistaken I believe he's being taken to task for spouting off like an arrogant f&ckwit about it.

montencee,

good find on the old quote! Amazing how people change...

mensaboy,

change your meds man...your anti-American rants sound like a cry for help. Not sure what idiot European LCC DEC's have to do with Americans?

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mensaboy,

change your meds man...your anti-American rants sound like a cry for help. Not sure what idiot European LCC DEC's have to do with Americans?


The Littlest Canuck has a real problem with authority figures over 5'8", Nolimit. He's become completely unhinged over being hammered by a few DECs from the land of milk and honey, when he knows in his heart that he's the second coming of Chuck Yeager. :{

John may be European, but he's a true threat and an honorary American at six feet tall.

Not too keen to defend John (toilet?) pilot's rather condescending attitude myself, but the attack on his percieved nationality is unwarranted..