Spoke to some people at KAL. They said there is no way expats will be on the first few 380s. For what its worth.

Knowing Asian culture I am very sure that expats will not be on the first few A380, if not at all!

I think it will depend on what their insurers require. I understand that is the major reason the Korean hires expats in the first place.
It's not because they want to hire them but because they have been compelled to by their insurers because of the number of aircraft losses etc.

I can just imagine how some of the " local oldies" who have been on the 744 for years and years will cope with their first Airbus being an A380.

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I dont know what window you look out off, but just under 20K USD is not far off in my case..sorry to wee on your parade. Yes its including housing and education. Since KAL doesnt pay for this you have to compare apples to apples....

Payscale, there you go being rational and looking at the overall big picture. What are you doing? You can't do that!

I agreed with Payscale, he is making a fair comparison.

KAL provide accom in Seol actually.

$20,000 = 73,500 dhs ( still dreaming especially with prod pay virtually gone here at EK)

..Fair comparison?

How about adding in the fact that you would not be living in the middle east and you live in your own country? How much is that worth?

Jinglie'd

interestingly and for what it's worth I have just moved 9 places up the seniority list(from a month ago), and I'm in the top 20% to start with.
No-one leaving?.........

Living in the middle east was a choise you and I made at some point. I dont love it. But I dont hate it either. That the expat life style. We are well paid guest workers. We will all leave at some point again. KAL pays your HOTAC in korea. EK pays you villa....

Payscale..

"Living in the middle east was a choise you and I made at some point."

Your stating the obvious. How does that, or your previous posts, support an "apples to apples" comparison. I say you cannot do it.

Jinglie'd

Not a lot - my home country is going down the pan and we couldn't wait to get out. :ouch:

Jingled

Its doesnt really matter what you think.. or what I think. Its the guys planning to make the switch from EK to KAL that has to sum things up in a way that seems logic to him. I offered my opinion on how I would compare it. Fact is after 10 years here, living out of accommodations and being a trainer I make a decent salary. The job that I eventually would trade it in for would be compared as a full package.
I fear for the future of this country, but we know so little of what goes on in the government that any conclusion we draw is a shot in the dark..
Lets see if Nalheel can pay their 3,5 bill sukuk in december....:uhoh:

Jingled,

That's IF you consider spending 11-12 days in your home country every month "Living" there, whilst spend ing 2/3rds of your life away from your family.

Don,t get me wrong, if there was a pressing reason for my family to be at home, this might be a reasonable option.

But DON'T labour under the mis-apprehention that spending most of your life as an un-welcome foreigner away from your family is any picnic!!

One of the questions I asked whilst attending the KAL interview (330 DEC) was whether or not I would have the chance to fly the 380.

The three interviewers, one expat and two locals, actually laughed .....

Never say never though.

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Question, have you recently checked the seniority list numbers? Because everyone arriving at same time as I did lost about 100 places ie we are more at the bottom of list than when we first arrived in the cie.

Good point man ! No more seniority in EK guys, everybody should know that NOW. I personally lost arround 80 position on the list after 4 years in the company. Who said the new "upgrade policy" will not affect seniority ? LOL

Don't think there is any great conspiracy there guys..prob just cadets joining flight ops after after their ab-initio training. Everybody joins EK with a certain staff number. Nothing to do with seniority for command of course. That seems to have gone out the window a while ago.

As I understand it, senority for cadets starts when they start their type transition on the type they are allocated to, not when they start their training in Australia. Might pay to ask someone for answers as to why you appear to be going backwards on the list.