Warning: Emirates Pilots Are Fatigued
 

WHERE ARE THE JOURNO'S NOW?

A number of EK pilots are currently on "extra days off" because they have exceeded the max flying hours allowed in a calendar year.

It is no secret that Emirates has been running the pilot poole on the very lean side for quite some time and that crew scheduling are forced to regularly call pilots on off days to fly planes that would otherwise be parked. The airline has relied, no, expected "good will" from the pilots to work on their off days and yet offer no good will in return. Rosters are a shambles and EVERY PILOT is planned to work beyond the standard productive level into overtime EVERY MONTH.

The result is a bunch of fatigued pilots flying heavy equipment on 14h40min ultra long haul routes to places like New York, spending 24 hours on the ground, then compounding their fatigue by operating the ultra long haul return flight to Dubai.....
Or, pilots operating the likes of 11 hour flights from Seoul to Dubai - 2 crew in the middle of the night.

Concerns have been raised at various levels that we ARE heading for a disaster, but arrogance and greed turn a blind eye.

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Not just NY and Seoul,

back to back flights throughout the night, followed by SIN-MEL, SIN-BNE AKL, back to London a few days later... 80-90 hr block months...delays, extended duty times, no leave available. The problem is affecting all fleets, Bs & As.

Some go sick, others mask the true extent of the problem by working on their days off.

EK is in crisis and all you can hear is silence.

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10 days of leave in one month and still 77 hours blocktime, of course no overtime thanks to TCAS

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That is the most accurate statement of fact regarding Flight Operations that I have ever read on this site. Management, wake up!

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"Tick Tock" Only a matter of time until something gives!!

It's not to say that we did not raise these problems with management before! They somehow seem to think that it will just get better if we ignore them long enough, they might disappear!!

Well gents, let us all take care out there! And bottom line is, if you are not up to it? Dont do it! Because no one will come to your rescue if it all turns ugly!!

As always,

Check your Six.:eek:

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Oh my gosh!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
All these 'fatigued' pilots after 11 hour flights.
Maybe we should take up a collection here for a paper bag full of donuts for all these guys, so the can keep their sugar level up, and not fall asleep....:p

PS:
If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

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I am afraid 411A keeps posting because he loves to get kneejerk responses. In life he could likely be a reasonable bloke, just here he is something else. So skip his post and move on. Time for a nap....

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So let me get this right, The salary is so far below market rate it is shameful, contracts are being abused, Safety is compromised through high fatigue levels and under staffed/funded training dept. First Officer's carreers stagnated through insensitive policy making and DEC's. Line pilots reaching max Flight Duty time and earning less than the coveted DEC's.

Response from pilot workforce.

Idiots still agree to take up and continu in training positions. My God guys! Trainers are the guardians of safety in an airline have the professionalism to resign until this bun fight is sorted out. You owe it to your line collegues. Without you the company are forced to negotiate.

Line Captains flying on days off. Those that do are weak moneygrabbing lillylivers who do not deserve the rank of Captain. Have the cajonas that you rank represents and learn to piss in the long grass like the big dogs. Only then will things improve.

FO's your @bond@ cannot be enforced since the very spirit of your contract with EK has been compromised by frequent adjustments to COS. Do yourself a favour and resign. There are loads of jobs out there you dont have to take this crap. You are professionals show some self respect and vote. Only then will things change.

As long as flights are crewed you are justifying managements cost cutting policies and inviting even less respect.

Working on days off under these circumstances is indefensible those that do are contemptable and should be treated as such.

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SY your vitriol is misplaced squire. If things were so bad then all that you have mentioned would have materialised. But it hasn’t has it. I wonder why? Perhaps when all the hot air has been expressed and lucidity returns then reality dawns together with the realisation that this aint so bad after all. No, not the best but certainly not the worst job.
GAL

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Waldo aka various:

Back in the office after an extended Xmas break, what would you know about fatigue?

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Waldorfin might have missed it - whilst being on leave between the years, whlist we've been working our A**es off ...
as he WRONGLY states:

"If things were so bad then all that you have mentioned would have materialised. But it hasn’t has it. I wonder why?"

.... so, what about the numerous cancelled EK-Flights over X-mas, due to massive shortness of Crews then? Well, that REALLY costs EK money to extremly poor managements decisions i guess :*

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Waldo,

EK crews are amoungst the best that I have worked with Squire. Emirates has managed, in the past, to attract pilots of a very high calibre. It goes against the grain of any professional to not set the very highest of standards. That is why the aforementioned action has not yet materialised.

Your sychophantic management, like you, will rest on there laurals until the critical point is exceeded and the whole thing falls apart, only then will something be done. Your acceptance of mediocraty is endemic in management. This may not be the best but it certainly is not the worst you say. There was a time when I was proud to be part of a company that pronounced "we are and will continue to be, The Best"

No EK is not yet the worst but it is very close to the bottom. Your COS will continue to errode until you finally do hit the bottom. Management were once proactive in growing the business have been replaced by the cost cutters and arse coverers. What was once a culture of inovation is now a culture of paranoia. Waldo, if you ARE in management or training the I urge you to re read your words and think about your suitability for your job. Then resign!!!! Your cynical acceptance of mediocraty is sickening.

Re: Warning: Emirates Pilots Are Fatigued
 

Contact Capt KIM MILLER FAA AFS 50 Whashington

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If Ek Is Really So Bad Than Pls Do All Of Us A Favour And Go. Go To Ry@n, E@sy Where Live Is So Easy And Perfect.

I Have Heard That Ry@n And E@sy Pilots Are Wrking On A 20 Days Off And 10 Days On Roster. Good Money. Sick Leave Allowed Up To 100 Days A Year.

But Go And Stop Whining.

You Cant Destroy Emirates Good Reputation. It Is Still One Of The Best Companies To Work For.

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Keep taking the drugs Hans, you a laugh a minute mate. One of the best companies to work for. Thats the funniest thing written here in a long time. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/la...smiley-014.gif

EGGW

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http://www.chinaworker.org/cgi-bin/i...iewnews&id=131

Some ideas that may help you.
Think about the thousands of children used as Jockeys, think about working conditions in the construction business, confiscated passports, suicides and so on...

What a terrible place...

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Why did u wimps left your perfect previous airline to come to EK. Why?

And still its in your hand you can go. WE dont need crybabies like you here in EK. complaining complaining complaining

It makes me sick.

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why did we put a 3rd pilot on MNL and not ICN

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Hans: Don't look then you won't upset yourself.

Flex: Fatigue is a major issue. It directly relates to safety. Yes there are others who have it much much worse but this is a jet-jockey issue not a camel-jockey issue, for the latter go to JRuNe for more info.

The most complicated piece of equipment Waldo and his mates operate is a pen. 400+ pax with a crew falling asleep in the front is one of the major issues at EK.

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I’m afraid to say that just like the most of us I worked right through the festive period. The thing is I thought I had taken care of the ones insisting to spread negativity and a one sided view. Seems they are suckers for punishment and so I shall oblige and go round two.
Seconds out
DING
Here’s the “other side”. Ask yourselves the question why people like Shake, SY, etc get so vociferous when another point of view is aired. The answer is that they are insecure in their own beliefs. This translates to why they would continually slag EK and indeed Dubai off and then opt to stay, qualifying it by saying that they cant just up and move. Nonsense chaps, nobody believes that. Allegedly there are droves of people leaving. Join the queue.
When they get met with arguments of substance they get frustrated and then opt to attacking the author. Accusations of management, training, bla bla yawn yawn. No, I’m not either just a fellow line dude who has a differing point of view. Inconceivable to some, the truth none the less.
And then when reason has really gone out the window we get the insults. Take a look at EGGW’s response to HA. Would you honestly take what EGGW has to write to hold any substance? I think not.

What is happening to these poor souls is very powerful indeed. It happened to the dot com crash. The culprit- Self fulfilling prophesies.