What hole? A pilot is not allowed to express himself? If more of us expressed ourselves we would not be in the shape we are in as an industry. This group does not need YES men, it needs someone to say no every now and again.

Hi LHR,

Did you say N O to the managment?

Well LHR Rain, unless you are an official spokesperson for a Government recognised pilot union, you should be very careful who you say 'No' to!

What this industry needs is for all heads to get together and come up with a well reasoned proposal. One or two 'hot-heads' standing on their idea of principle and their interpretaion of industrial justice, creating a stir, will only get them the sack.

You are obviously quite young, LHR Rain, and extremely naive, not to mention having no idea about the expat world, so please take kindly my suggestion that you just sit back and get on with the job you were employed for, do it to the best of your ability, accept that the path ahead may be strewn with a few bolders, like DEC, for instance, (and no different to just about anywhere else in the world), and in due course, when the time is right, you will get the opportunity to be assessed for command and if you fit the bill, in all respects, pass command training then the LHS will be yours!,

Any suggestions Omark as to how the heads would get together to formulate such a well reasoned proposal and what it would be?

No Shake , but that is the opposite extreme to LHR Rain's current position.

A degree of happiness and contentment will be found somewhere in between!

For heavens sake,EVERYONE,who posts here from EK.

Wake Up.

Its done,its been done,it will continue to be done,and they know,as you know theres nothing we could or can do do,with so many different factions.We have NO voice.

People are voting with their feet,and the damage is done.

Just remember,if youre not lazy,your lucky to have a job,so just keep discovering.

Off to the pub.QB

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QB
 

That's it!...
Simply and brilliantly put, mate!
The rest is childish "bohooing"...

One day we'll all grew up and have a sort of International Pilots Union and be able to fight for what we think is fair and reasonable for us and our careers.
Who knows?

For now we have to count only on our comon sense and on this wonderful space (thanks forever, Danny!...)

Interesting quotes from the Fired CCM posts.

Don't like it leave!

Mensaboy you are dreaming.Give up.
Sheikh Nickabouk why dont you find another forum to annoy or better still go away altogether your an idiot.

Mensa...I see your point, but you are confusing lower experienced FOs with bad FOs.
Ek had to decide which road they want to take.

1. Former captains/ Older FOs segment. Everybody starts in the RHS. Upgrade in turn. Abolish the 3 year policy. No fasttrack (they are kind of DECs)

or

2. DECs/ Lowtime FOs. Younger DECs will come for the rating, older DECs just for the hell of it. Bit of golf and beach before retirement. Young FOs with 2000H are always available.

Both options will work on their own. Mixing them is not good.

I'm not so sure we disagree Payscale, except perhaps that I don't believe the present policy is working. With the limited number of DEC's EK has now hired (in the range of 100?), there is a lot of dissention and unfairness already felt by F/O's and previous Captains.

This has led to an exodus of decent pilots in the past year that has never ever happened in the history of this airline.

I was simply making a suggestion of an alternate policy, which of course will take time to implement and take effect, but will at least help return this airline to its past glory.

Perhaps there really isn't a problem and my viewpoint is not valid. That is clearly the message management is attempting to send, but from every single person i've talked to on the line, their feelings seem to support my view.

I have no heartache being proven wrong if that is the case, but all i'm trying to do is offer a suggestion for improvement with regards to something that I think may destroy this airline over the next few years. I honestly hope I am wrong, as I never had any intention of leaving here once I made the move. As of this moment though, if things don't change I can't see myself flying 95 hours a month for the next 18 years. My future health and general lifestyle wishes preclude me from doing this for too many more years.

Hey Quod Boy
Great posts mate!
If you carry on going to the pub every time you post you're going to get had for being an alcoholic
See ya in the pub!
:p