I have two kids in the American School old enough for the company to pay the hole shot. The amount for the primary/elementry is where people come up shot,the amount is going up all the time and EK does have a say as to what the schools can charge. Most schools will say they have waiting lists but so far I know of no one how has not got there kids into school.

You pay for extra for after school things but it's not bad, my kids have done things they would have never done back home.
Other cost are school trips which there seems to be alot of cost varies.

Women(expat) are free to do just about anything you want, alot do work. My wife would rather play golf and tennis,go for coffee or head to beach, she really likes it here but it is not for everyone.

The housing market is controlled right now so it's really hard to say what the value of property will be 10-15 years down the road.Most guys are saying that if there place is only worth 1/2 they will break even because the amount the company gives you.If the housing allow goes up you would see more guys buying in order to use company money.For the time being there is no shortage of building and no shortage of land, don't think it's going to be like HongKong or SIN
EK does not own any villa complexes but do rent out large numbers ie;
92/140 or all the 84's or most of the 164's.
Some of the people that are buying is because they don't like where they are or don't like being around all EK pilots

The DEC's are a must if we want to operate the 18 340's next year. I think most FO's can deal with that as long as there upgrade is not effected, there has been a change with the fast track upgrades and there is where the problem is.It did not effect me and so far I beleive the Airbus Mang when they say all FO's will upgrade in 3 years.The more airplanes we operate the bigger the bonus.

Hello FatBus

I am still waiting for the call, but while comparing what you guys already on the game are stating and what the EK web promisses, I can see the company is doing a good job.

Would you know the quality and size of the villas offered to F.O.s among wife and 2 kids?
If I ellect to use the 85K allowance, what else, besides the rent, should I pay, i.e. water, electricity, condo taxes.

And how about the car loan? How it is discounted and what car the 55K can afford?

ThanX `n` safe flites

ngpilot:cool:

FATBUS,
Please check your PM's

Hi FatBus:

What are the changes that took place on the fast track for upgrades from FO to CAPT?

It was 6000 total with at least 1000 jet command.

Now 8000 total 2000 command on a jet over 55K IE; 737 and bigger

These are mins

How in fact is going on DEC recruitment?
I know about a lot of very experienced wide body skippers (though not type rated to EK fleet) that received only the hold pool notice email....
Maybe there´s plenty of A340 rated on there, being interviewed at this time?

Cheers!

dec
 

well for those of us who wanna join ek n find that the salary is good ...better than present.....pay check ...
we cant even get an interview....

but many who have it better ...of course....
wont wanna take a hugh change and or lifestyle change for ...peas....? i guess....

so why many of "us " are not being called for an interview but still in the holding pattern....
well lets move on beyond nationalities and color or colour,language ,food and music or sexual preference...

fullforward Perhaps EK are having second thoughts about DEC's to non A320/330/340 rated Captains???

Certainly if non type rated then to transfer to an Airbus from a Boeing could be a big challenge joining EK where a large number of people do not want you there!! Even more so if you are not also experienced in EK's route structure.

The latest "RUMOUR" doing the rounds is that the next policy change includes Augmented crews (yes, that's you 340 DEC's) only being awarded 75% credit hrs for trips flown (fly 100hrs get paid 75hrs), and that leave days will no longer have ANY associated monthly credit hrs. So expect to work those leave days BACK!

Surely not Warlock,

Didn't our esteemed DFO, SVP, TCK (I can't keep up with the changes) say that there was no truth to the rumour that augmented crew credit hours would be tampered with.

I just can't believe he would have lied, ("I took the liberty of bull!!!!ting you"). Surely it must have been an honest error. I can't remember anything else that he has said that wasn't true.

Oh, hang on, there was the one about the DEC pay, and let me see, Oh yeah the one about how well off we are due to the excellent strength of the US dollar. I almost forgot the one about how the company is commited to managing crew fatigue.

I'm trying hard not to be a cynic, but I fear I am losing the battle.

Cop U Later

The Rev

Warlock Re DEC and A340 credit hours.

Gulf Air tried that on the A340 New York trips re Augmented crews amongst their many other underhand tricks.

50+ Captains duly walked away from GF as a consequence.

Rev How can you be a synic when the sun shines and DXB is such a fun place to be... (I have noticed some clouds lately)

Max,

I fear that you are losing the battle as well.....

Cop U Later

The Rev

Dear Miller,

Definitely EK DECs will never be wellcome by the vast majority of
unsatisfied FOs, who may think that game rules had changed.
But this is not DEC's fault...

Fish

It's not about how many we will lose. I doubt anyone will throw their job away on principal, we are after all, all mercenaries.

The only thing we can hope for is that this overt display of how EK treats its people (changing employment terms unilaterally and with no notice) will give prospective applicants pause to think before they pack their tents and head for the desert.

If the numbers on the influx side slow down sufficiently, it will be dificult for our exaulted leaders to hide the fact that they have been treating the staff like cr*p for the last 15 years.

This may lead to an improvement in conditions for us, or then again, it may not.

Cop U Later

The Rev

TCK Takes Control!!!
 

NEVER FEAR TCK IS HERE!!! (Memories of Lost In Space)

Regards to the Most Reverend Doctor Doug, Max AB et al. With everything going on in EK at the moment (attempted manipulation of credit hours on the A340, Direct Entry Captains gaining instant 10 year seniority, and the much vaunted, ongoing management reshuffle) TCK announces the year 2001 Flight Ops. Party is confirmed for January 2004!

A surly retort to those who say that Ek Flight Ops Management is not in good hands!!

Fish As the Rev says EK are unlikely to lose any Pilots because of ( to an ousider) the amazing U Turns and changes of policy decided on the hoof it would seem by your Management.

I would think that serious applications to join EK as an F/O must be seriously down. Captains applying as F/O must have dried up entirely and also those who think they will get a quick command??

What is going on in EK is being done to us in SQ.

Just look at the T & C's on offer with SIA Cargo and the way the company has reduced our salary over the years. Here in SQ we need a Bonus of at least 4 months to put our salaries somewhere close to where it should be.

SQ and EK vie as supposedly ( in passengers eyes at least!!) the top International Airlines in the World. What a joke in so many ways.

At least in EK you do not have a Government attacking you on an almost daily basis.

ahhh, now you're all making the same mistake in thinking that the airline gives a s**t about you. You're just a bum in a seat.
Nothing more nothing less.

EK management couldn't care less whether the flight/cabin crew are happy or not, all they want is for the a/c to go on time and full of pax.

Forget a pay rise, there are enough people waiting in the wings (no pun intended) who believe that this co. is the holy grail of airline jobs, BIG mistake.

...ahhh I feel better now, cold beer and valium do wonders out here.

CX senior pilots= A scale
CX junior pilots= B scale

EK senior pilots= B scale
EK junior pilots= A scale

somehow TCK got the numbers wrong

Listen Chaps,
When you sign up your for Emirates your contract does not include any guarantee that it will not be changed at a moments notice. You are under some kind of warped illusion that the contract is for your protection, its not. Your contract is only designed to protect the company should YOU be in breach of it. Then we can take punative action.
As you know this is a rapidly expanding airline were staff are expected to be flexible and do what they are told. Your continuous whinging about your conditions is beginning to vex me. How am I expected to make big bonuses for myself if I don't cut your conditions and increase your productivity, its really quite simple. I need to make as much money as possible before I get kicked out of Dubai.
So kindly shut up and do what you are told.
TCK

Oh and did I mention that the "sun is still shining" :O