Emirates and the A380 (threads merged)
 

Want to know when Emirates get these planes will they recruite new pilots or will they ground the old planes and ask the crew to fly the A 380 heard it from a captain from EK

Prop

Yep, he's on the money!

Come 2006;) all the current fleet of the day will parked up against the fence and everyone will get to fly shiney new A380's.

The five dozen or so B777's, A330's and A340's will be towed out toward Hata and converted into a labour camp in the desert for all the new pilots they will need to fly the new aeroplane.

However on top of that some of the hulls have been ear marked to be sunk off the coast and turned into dive sites.

Hang on, isn't that already happening?

halas

Very much doubt it - only a few of the 60+ destinations that EK serves will be capable of accomodating the 380 !!

White Knight
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Only a handful will be capable?
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Come to think of it, EK serves HYD/DEL/BOM/MAA/COK all in India. Now all of them accomodates 747s.
Yes places like BHX will have a problem, but I guess most others shouldnt be too difficult.
And (apoligies in advance as I am more a SLF than a subject expert), but I thought the A 340 600 is "longer".

Yes I know the wingspan is much more than others in service

But since EK doesnt exactly serve the local village airport ( thinking of good old Indian Airlines when I say that), methinks it will be more than a mere handful of the current lot of destinations which should be able to accept the 380s without much difficulty.


Cheers

With the amount of work being done on the taxiways at DXB I suspect White Knight to be quite right.

rsoman - the main problem is the weight of the aircraft. The weight of the aircraft is channeled down a few wheels (not sure how many the 380 will have) and the pressure on the concrete that the aircraft is on is huge - and I beleive that the load will be far higher than for 747 aircraft. Hence only a few airports can accept the 380, and those that can have all done work to strengthen taxiways and runways. Saying that I understand that LHR will have linited taxi routes for the 380, so ground will have a bit of extra juggling to do.
I rather suspect that a 380 would go straight through the surface of the runway at BOM. Even after re-carpeting its like taking off from a ploughed potato field :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

At EGLL, there will be set taxi routes for the A380 thereby negating use of the outerat the same time - and let's not forget that they need special jetties for the upper deck doors, loading carts etc, etc...

The fact is that not everywhere can afford to adapt to A380 compliance.

P7

White Knight
Thank you . I didnt consider the weight aspect at all.And yes with a MTOW expected to be about 40% higher than a 747 400 yes I concede it can be a factor.

Bu the way (this is just "over"enthusiasm from an SLF- I am not connected anyway with BUS), the Airbus website info for A380 says "Payment Loading - no worse than existing aircraft" and it also mentions 20+ wheels.

Cheers

PCN Ratings....
 

Actually weight is a factor but probably not the most critical, the tyre pressure/surface area and wheel spacing are very important.

Case in example Fighters will carve up a tarmac where a A310 wouldn't because of the fighters extremely high tyre pressure (Eg. Mirage) and its weight distributed on a very small tyre surface area. I will call my theory the"Stilletto Principal". Imagine a fat babe in sneakers verses the similarly hefty individual wearing stilletto's....the result on your foot when she steps on it whilst sharing that last dance will vary from BL**%#Y painfull to catastrophic.

:E

Ek A380
 

Just so those of you who may be interested, Airbus are to display one of the A380's in full EK livery at this years Dubai Air Show. Can anyone confirm if it will be F-WWOW or one of the next ones off the line?

Paddy...
 

You have to be joking don't you....I mean if you have time to worry about the rego of the aircraft you possibly need to get out a little more!

The Dubai airshow is all about networking and getting into as many Chalet's as you can pretending to be interested in aviation and drinking all the "complimetary's" you can in a 15 miute window :p

Of course the 380 will be there, at least 3 airlines within a 150nm radius of Dubai have bought it and it is behind schedule...its all about "keeping up appearances"! :}

See you at the Airbus tent for a wee Chard or 6!
;)

Dont knock someone down for being curious foxy! :mad:

Paddy....
 

Sorry mate, people chasing rego's seriously need aviation social drugs....no offence dude but...........:ugh:

Now then Foxy,

The long winter nights flash by at the Wheel Tappers and Shunters social club. We talk real aviation...spot registrations and decide how best to iron the flat cap and feed our whippets!


Cerberus

Hi Foxy
Check those out, BA A320 G-BUSH , and G-SPOT.:ok:

And I forgot to add, that I had beed having to much aviation social drugs ( JetAdrinking).:}

JetA
 

Fair enough mate, just don't over do it....you will go blind! :p

:ok:

Who will fly the A380 for EK?
 

Recently saw pictures of the Emirates-painted A380 flying at Dubai (airshow). Beautiful looking aircraft I must say.

So, who will likely crew the A380 initially? Will the pilots be sourced from the:

1. A330/A340 due to Airbus experience
2. 777
3. External hires (perhaps high-time American retirees)

Any thoughts? Will it instead be based on seniority order? Given its limited use in terms of suitable airfields, would this even be a popular aircraft to fly (maybe 6-10 routes served total)?

When is the first EK A380 slated to arrive and what is the delivery rate?

Cheers

Riker.

You surly cannot call the A380 "A beautiful looking aircraft". It may be the worlds biggest passenger jet - but it is probably one of the ugliest that Airbus have produced. Its front end reminds of the elephant man.

Have to agree with CDRW. Only one word for the new fatbus and that is fugly. Don't want to start a slanging match but pretty it aint. Saw the behemoth close up at the air display yesterday and was very impressed with its performance. I just think that it is out of proportion, the wing roots are not sleek, the double decks make it look stubby and the cockpit stuck in the mid deck looks weird. Definitely a pregnant guppy look. Wish it could be otherwise. The C17 on display shows what you could do with a fat fuselage and still look good. Definitely not asthetically pleasing to the eye IMHO. Still a thrill to see flying though...

How long's a piece of string??? From what I have heard the initial training is being done by Airbus, if so they would require previous 330/340 time, ie CCQ so that would indicate no DEC/FOs. But after that, when the tng is in house I guess you could drop the CCQ requirement, run longer courses and Boeing guys would get a look in on seniority (probabley with a max age limit). It would not make sense to train to many FOs as they would soon get a command back on the 330, therefore I would expect direct recruitment of FOs onto the 380. HI time American retirees, not sure why American but I guess an age limit would apply there as well. But in reality, who will flyit? ...Everybody else...

EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

The A380 Deputy Chief Pilot applicants are telling everybody that they have been told that the A380 will be exclusively crewed by new hires. Can anybody confirm that?

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Can anyone ever confirm anything....? It makes sense though, If you put senior FOs onto it they will be there for a short time and then back to the 330 for an upgrade. And how better to get DECs to apply than to dangle the 380 at them.

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

I feel like getting all emotional !!:{

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DEC for the 380 sounds like a plan to me...keeps all the whinging EK pilots right and firmly in their proper place.
Good show!

Tin hat firmly in place for incoming....:E

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Hahahahhahahaha :ok:

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Heard this rumor had surfaced. Enough to make me stop lurking and post something.

Well that makes the decision for the senior Bus skippers very simple. The proverbial straw and camel comes to mind. Or the line in the sand. Enough is enough.

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

IF this is true then a meeting should be called and we should be told. This represents a serious change of course and a major change to aspired career paths. If it is not true, then this rumour should be shot down immediately by management.

411A, F#@k off, you are about as welcome here as an A380 DEC.

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Great wind up, don't cha love these rumours :}

411a, your about as welcome round here as a horny dog at a Miss Lovely legs competition.

SyB :zzz:

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

There was a comment at the CBC the other night, from one of our longer serving Captains after reading a article from a company magazine which went along the lines of " ...there are some names of these chosen 9 that will require the company to hire direct onto the A380....". I of course had no idea as to what he meant.:}
Any idea how you post to this rumour buster thing on the portal?
Don

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Simple economics work. Don't pay more to get the crews, dangle the 380, hallas!! Also strong rumour that 2nd Os on the 380 fleet, which will keep the highly experienced local new boys as SFOs on the other fleets. Whats the point though of a 380 rating, where you gonna take it. All the majors operating it will have a serious seniority that you will never bypass to get in there. Better off with staying where you are. Hey newbies to EK FO, you looking at 7 years ++ to a command at the mo, probably more as there are 600 FOs waiting to upgrade, most late 30s, early 40s. Ok make that 20 years to upgrade, welcome in!! :cool:

CW

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

What's wrong with horny dogs ??:p

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Airbus meeting said at least first 10 crews would come from the bus. They have to lead turn the recruitment so hiring direct on to the 380 initially will be a bit tricky when we don't even have the jet.

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Of cause the will hire DEC and FO off the street to fly the fat bird. They know we wont leave. We are still here, right....? All their crewing problems are solved at the stroke of a pen. Naturally a number of senior captains of both fleets we be invited over. So if you are not a member of the club, forget about the A380 :hmm:

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Calm down, ladies...don't get overexcited for just a new toy!...

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Screw EK ...........
If CX empoly direct entry to Pax fleet then all the EK F/os can go and do the same job in HK for twice the pay of an EK Captain.
Some Captains may also go to CX but there is plenty of Contract jobs offering double salary.
EK and the middle east is now only for desperates or transients a career it will never be .
Careers are in CX KA QF BA and SQ if youre a captain....

if you dont have to dont waste your time here , im leaving in six months and im happy.............

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You don't sound happy....

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Who is? I don't know too many pilots that are jumping up and down singing the praises of EK. Maybe your polling tells you differently.

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Erm, Payscale I think you will find that 51 sorry make that 54 as of this week of our colleagues have decided that "staying here" is no longer worthwhile and the 380 hasnt arrived yet.

Keep dreaming off to the pub.

QB

Re: EK: Direct Entry Onto A380
 

Guys......calm down! The thing isn't here yet. There are 45 of them coming so DEC's are inevitable, BUT if you want to get on it you will, just be a bit patient. As said in another post, it's not a rating that will fullfil any career plans elsewhere: just keep logging that 340/777 time! That'll do your travel plans a lot more good in the coming 5 years!

And to the guy about "contracts on double EK Capt pay".......please advise where those are?!?! I'm genuinely interested!

Regards to all......live long and prosper!

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Well said, CTN!