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ClassCbird 2nd Apr 2020 10:22

Resumption of pax flights
 
It's in the local press; EK will resume a limited number of passenger flights early this month.

SOPS 2nd Apr 2020 12:43

And where are they expecting to fly to that is not full of the virus? And do they have no concerns about putting crew in danger?.. on wait on..,

halas 2nd Apr 2020 13:03

Perth.

halas

Jack330 2nd Apr 2020 13:49

Resuming flights
 
Most probably they’re following the QR philosophy and deploy some 777 to bring pax back, all return flights from AU are overbooked by 200 per flight, I’ve never seen those numbers before.

felixthecat 2nd Apr 2020 19:41

There is more virus in Europe and UAE than when they stopped passenger flights there, why would they start up again now I wonder....

BigGeordie 2nd Apr 2020 19:47

They are outgoing flights only for passengers - they are probably hoping to export the virus! Coming back they will probably be full of cargo. The latest word from WAM (UAE official news agency) is that it will be another 2 weeks at least before flights restart both ways.

Dirigible 6th Apr 2020 05:05

As per Emirates website, initial flights to commence from Dubai to London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich and Brussels

SOPS 6th Apr 2020 14:02


Originally Posted by Dirigible (Post 10740920)
As per Emirates website, initial flights to commence from Dubai to London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich and Brussels

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That should be fun for the crews!

Python27 6th Apr 2020 14:31


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10741459)
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That should be fun for the crews!

Probably we'll have European turnarounds just like the slaves in the west.



King on a Wing 6th Apr 2020 14:32


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10741459)
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That should be fun for the crews!

Those would all be double crew quick turn flights 😉

Islandlad 6th Apr 2020 17:00


Originally Posted by Dirigible (Post 10740920)
As per Emirates website, initial flights to commence from Dubai to London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich and Brussels

Following their money :E

Jack330 6th Apr 2020 22:09

By the time Emirates starts flying all passengers will already be home thanks to qr 😂😂

Airbubba 7th Apr 2020 15:08


Originally Posted by Dirigible (Post 10740920)
As per Emirates website, initial flights to commence from Dubai to London Heathrow, Frankfurt, Paris, Zurich and Brussels

In addition to the ZRH and BRU flights airborne, a couple of B-77W's with pax flight numbers operating to MEL right now according to FlightRadar24.

The only other EK flights I see at the moment are 777 freighters.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7a5d60f291.jpg

SOPS 7th Apr 2020 16:25

Well the pax will be put in isolation .. under guard for 14 days.. but at least it gets them home.

DuneMentat 8th Apr 2020 02:32

These are still cargo only (for now anyway) even if operated by passenger planes on normal flight numbers.

Viagra 11th Apr 2020 21:42


Originally Posted by SOPS (Post 10742746)
Well the pax will be put in isolation .. under guard for 14 days.. but at least it gets them home.

No.... " Will be" is an asssss-uption and incorrect...... There was no pax....
Stop Spouting yourself as the font of all knowledge.. 'will' .... jeesus , so its a certainty with your expertise?....pffft...... ffs...

mmmbop 11th Apr 2020 22:23


Originally Posted by Viagra (Post 10747103)
No.... " Will be" is an asssss-uption and incorrect...... There was no pax....
Stop Spouting yourself as the font of all knowledge.. 'will' .... jeesus , so its a certainty with your expertise?....pffft...... ffs...

Viagra,

Do you request to only fly the 100th 777-300ER delivered to Emirates?

diamantaire 17th Apr 2020 18:43

Hi ,

Does anyone know when they shall open the borders for visa waiver countries?
Thanx

EchoKilla 17th Apr 2020 21:49

open the borders to which country? UAE?


Originally Posted by diamantaire (Post 10753489)
Hi ,

Does anyone know when they shall open the borders for visa waiver countries?
Thanx


Nuweiba 18th Apr 2020 07:36


Originally Posted by BigGeordie (Post 10737280)
They are outgoing flights only for passengers - they are probably hoping to export the virus! Coming back they will probably be full of cargo. The latest word from WAM (UAE official news agency) is that it will be another 2 weeks at least before flights restart both ways.

What a nonsensical blinkered comment !!

The UAE have one of the most extensive COVID testing programmes in the world.... far, far superior to the UK which has one of the lowest amongst developed nations. The UAE has carried out 50 % more tests than the UK but only has 1/7th the population !

All passengers departing Dubai will be tested instantly before boarding. And of course, strict controls are in place for arrivals at Dubai. Unlike UK airports. Even their lockdown is far more rigid than the UK's.

https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...or-passengers/

NightVMC 18th Apr 2020 11:14


Originally Posted by Nuweiba (Post 10753979)
What a nonsensical blinkered comment !!

The UAE have one of the most extensive COVID testing programmes in the world.... far, far superior to the UK which has one of the lowest amongst developed nations. The UAE has carried out 50 % more tests than the UK but only has 1/7th the population !

All passengers departing Dubai will be tested instantly before boarding. And of course, strict controls are in place for arrivals at Dubai. Unlike UK airports. Even their lockdown is far more rigid than the UK's.

https://www.emirates.com/media-centre/emirates-becomes-first-airline-to-conduct-on-site-rapid-covid-19-tess-for-passengers/

and all these quick tests are not reliable at all!

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...re/?comments=1


I am convinced (sarcasm!), that UAE is testing all these poor people in these labour camps, where they live together in groups in very small rooms. that is the best place for a virus to spread all over.
Furthermore I am convinced (sarcasm!), that everybody who cannot effort medical care in UAE will get free support.
Still the rates of new people with Covid-19 is increasing in the UAE, only step by step, but it is increasing, but with this hard lockdown.

So just be realistic, they will open the business regardless of the virus, otherwise UAE will be back to their 50´s in the next months

FatPilot 18th Apr 2020 12:31


Originally Posted by Nuweiba (Post 10753979)
What a nonsensical blinkered comment !!

The UAE have one of the most extensive COVID testing programmes in the world.... far, far superior to the UK which has one of the lowest amongst developed nations. The UAE has carried out 50 % more tests than the UK but only has 1/7th the population !

All passengers departing Dubai will be tested instantly before boarding. And of course, strict controls are in place for arrivals at Dubai. Unlike UK airports. Even their lockdown is far more rigid than the UK's.

https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...or-passengers/

You'll get good, accurate results if you pay for quality test kits as opposed to the cheap ones out of China...….. ohhh. :ooh:
If it's the EK clinic, in keeping with their own policies they'll have the gate staff doing the tests.

Emma Royds 18th Apr 2020 13:56

On the topic of the 10 minute tests that EK was claiming as a groundbreaking initiative, the WHO has just dismissed such tests as being ineffective.


“What the use of these tests will do will measure the level of antibodies. It’s a response that the body has a week or two later after they’ve been infected with this virus,” she (Dr Maria Van Kerkhove, head of WHO’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit) said at a news conference at WHO’s Geneva headquarters. “Right now, we have no evidence that the use of a serological test can show that an individual is immune or protected from reinfection.”
WHO warning: No evidence that antibody tests can show coronavirus immunity

When airlines around the world are haemorrhaging money with us all at EK facing salary sacrifices, it is farcical to put it lightly that money will have been wasted to rush this testing in, with such headlines showing due diligence has not been conducted.

diamantaire 18th Apr 2020 13:59


Originally Posted by EchoKilla (Post 10753622)
open the borders to which country? UAE?

Sorry didn't spell out clearly.
Yes I would like to fly BRU-LHR-DXB . BA seems to be operating 01/05 onwards.
But no updates on timatic about entry into uae.

Thanx

Emma Royds 18th Apr 2020 19:29


Originally Posted by diamantaire (Post 10754465)
Sorry didn't spell out clearly.
Yes I would like to fly BRU-LHR-DXB . BA seems to be operating 01/05 onwards.
But no updates on timatic about entry into uae.

Thanx

As far as I am aware, there has been no date published when immigration will be open to foreigners again. The local press here in the UAE has stated that the peak in COVID cases here could be at least another month from now so should that be the case, it would not surprise me if some form of immigration restriction is in force until at least then.

Monitoring the local press here online will enable you to keep up to date, as any easing of the restrictions will be promptly published.

Nuweiba 19th Apr 2020 09:44


Originally Posted by NightVMC (Post 10754276)
and all these quick tests are not reliable at all!

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020...re/?comments=1


I am convinced (sarcasm!), that UAE is testing all these poor people in these labour camps, where they live together in groups in very small rooms. that is the best place for a virus to spread all over.
Furthermore I am convinced (sarcasm!), that everybody who cannot effort medical care in UAE will get free support.
Still the rates of new people with Covid-19 is increasing in the UAE, only step by step, but it is increasing, but with this hard lockdown.

So just be realistic, they will open the business regardless of the virus, otherwise UAE will be back to their 50´s in the next months

And arstechnica is a definitive medical source, is it ? No.... I don't know how many of the lower paid, expat manual labourers have been tested : but I do know that a far greater percentage of the total UAE population has been tested as opposed to the relatively very low figure in the UK, which, quite frankly is a disgrace.

Nuweiba 19th Apr 2020 09:45


Originally Posted by Emma Royds (Post 10754458)
On the topic of the 10 minute tests that EK was claiming as a groundbreaking initiative, the WHO has just dismissed such tests as being ineffective.



WHO warning: No evidence that antibody tests can show coronavirus immunity

When airlines around the world are haemorrhaging money with us all at EK facing salary sacrifices, it is farcical to put it lightly that money will have been wasted to rush this testing in, with such headlines showing due diligence has not been conducted.

Wrong ! The WHO are talking about the anti-body tests - not actual Covid 19 tests. Instant Covid 19 tests exist in other jurisdictions as well.

diamantaire 19th Apr 2020 10:23


Originally Posted by Emma Royds (Post 10754747)
As far as I am aware, there has been no date published when immigration will be open to foreigners again. The local press here in the UAE has stated that the peak in COVID cases here could be at least another month from now so should that be the case, it would not surprise me if some form of immigration restriction is in force until at least then.

Monitoring the local press here online will enable you to keep up to date, as any easing of the restrictions will be promptly published.


Thanx a lot for the insight appreciate it.

NightVMC 19th Apr 2020 11:10


Originally Posted by Nuweiba (Post 10755267)
And arstechnica is a definitive medical source, is it ? No.... I don't know how many of the lower paid, expat manual labourers have been tested : but I do know that a far greater percentage of the total UAE population has been tested as opposed to the relatively very low figure in the UK, which, quite frankly is a disgrace.

but emirates.com is a reliable medical source 😂

Emma Royds 20th Apr 2020 02:36


Originally Posted by Nuweiba (Post 10755268)
Wrong ! The WHO are talking about the anti-body tests - not actual Covid 19 tests. Instant Covid 19 tests exist in other jurisdictions as well.

A link below to EU guidance that is published by the Ministry of Health in Luxembourg.

Luxembourg Government - Ministry of Health

Q: Can a blood test detect the presence of the virus?
A: No. Only a test on respiratory secretions is currently available to detect the presence of the new coronavirus.


The EK press release shows a picture of a blood test being conducted and not a nasopharyngeal swab being taken.

Shangaan 20th Apr 2020 05:34

All UAE airports are closed for regular pax flights till 6May as per notam.

A0920/20 NOTAMR A0858/20
Q) OMAE/QXXXX/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/2500N05430E200
A) OMAE B) 2004161550 C) 2005062359 EST
E) COVID-19: FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS
ALL INTL FLIGHTS FROM/TO AIRPORTS IN UNITED ARAB
EMIRATES (UAE) OMAE ARE SUSPENDED DUE TO COVID-19 INFECTION
PREVENTION. THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT AFFECT THE FOLLOWING FLIGHTS:
1. ACFT IN STATE OF EMERGENCY AS PER INTL STANDARDS.
2. UAE REGISTERED AIRCRAFT RETURNING TO UAE CARRYING ONLY UAE
NATIONALS AND OPERATOR'S CREW-MEMBERS.
3. EVACUATION, MEDEVAC, FERRY, CARGO FLIGHTS AND TECHNICAL LANDINGS
PROVIDED THEY COMPLY WITH THE LATEST ISSUE OF SAFETY DECISION
2020-01.
4. DOMESTIC FLIGHTS AND OVER FLIGHTS ARE NOT AFFECTED.

Q AND A GUIDANCE
FOR FOREIGN OPERATORS:EMAIL FOA(A)GCAA.GOV.AE
FOR UAE AIR OPERATORS:CONSULT YOUR PRINCIPAL INSPECTOR.

Shangaan 20th Apr 2020 05:38


Originally Posted by Airbubba (Post 10742682)
In addition to the ZRH and BRU flights airborne, a couple of B-77W's with pax flight numbers operating to MEL right now according to FlightRadar24.

The only other EK flights I see at the moment are 777 freighters.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....7a5d60f291.jpg

Not all pax flight numbers carry passengers.
99% of them are cargo. Pax flight numbers are used for cargo as the overflight permits are already in place for that sector hence less of a headache to acquire new permits.

Old King Coal 20th Apr 2020 06:20

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

diamantaire 20th Apr 2020 13:20


Originally Posted by Shangaan (Post 10756249)
All UAE airports are closed for regular pax flights till 6May as per notam.

A0920/20 NOTAMR A0858/20
Q) OMAE/QXXXX/IV/NBO/AE/000/999/2500N05430E200
A) OMAE B) 2004161550 C) 2005062359 EST
E) COVID-19: FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS
ALL INTL FLIGHTS FROM/TO AIRPORTS IN UNITED ARAB
EMIRATES (UAE) OMAE ARE SUSPENDED DUE TO COVID-19 INFECTION
PREVENTION. THIS RESTRICTION DOES NOT AFFECT THE FOLLOWING FLIGHTS:
1. ACFT IN STATE OF EMERGENCY AS PER INTL STANDARDS.
2. UAE REGISTERED AIRCRAFT RETURNING TO UAE CARRYING ONLY UAE
NATIONALS AND OPERATOR'S CREW-MEMBERS.
3. EVACUATION, MEDEVAC, FERRY, CARGO FLIGHTS AND TECHNICAL LANDINGS
PROVIDED THEY COMPLY WITH THE LATEST ISSUE OF SAFETY DECISION
2020-01.
4. DOMESTIC FLIGHTS AND OVER FLIGHTS ARE NOT AFFECTED.

Q AND A GUIDANCE
FOR FOREIGN OPERATORS:EMAIL FOA(A)GCAA.GOV.AE
FOR UAE AIR OPERATORS:CONSULT YOUR PRINCIPAL INSPECTOR.


Thanx a lot appreciate it.
Find it really funny as BA is selling tkts outbound(lhr-dxb) for the 1st may 20.


sheikhthecamel 21st Apr 2020 11:02

Is this source reliable? Says 1st of July...!

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...30gmt-21apr20/

Lucifer786 21st Apr 2020 11:55

First of July it is. As of today of course.

Emma Royds 21st Apr 2020 13:04


Originally Posted by sheikhthecamel (Post 10757972)
Is this source reliable? Says 1st of July...!

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...30gmt-21apr20/

It reflects what the company makes available for sale to the public. It will probably change again anyway!

donpizmeov 21st Apr 2020 14:45

That source just reflects what EK put to the sales software. It is updated whenever EK updates it's schedule. For example it was showing a start of the network early May last week.

Countries still have closed boarders. Italy is saying it may open its in Mar 21, Spain is saying Dec 20, Australia is saying it might not be until mid 21. So EK planners are in a state of flux. They are doing their best to get the game on the road, but have to abide by varying national restrictions.

FlyingCroc 21st Apr 2020 20:31

I think it it will take a long time just for a small basic schedule, July August maybe?

PanAmFalcon 21st Apr 2020 23:46


Originally Posted by donpizmeov (Post 10758219)
That source just reflects what EK put to the sales software. It is updated whenever EK updates it's schedule. For example it was showing a start of the network early May last week.

Countries still have closed boarders. Italy is saying it may open its in Mar 21, Spain is saying Dec 20, Australia is saying it might not be until mid 21. So EK planners are in a state of flux. They are doing their best to get the game on the road, but have to abide by varying national restrictions.

oddly enough some routes are still not showing up like IAH. That indicates a revised routes


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