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DXB Light Aircraft Crash
A piston twin on a nav aid calibration flight crashed around 3 miles short of 30L this evening at DXB. The operator appears to be Flight Calibration Services from the UK with the type belived to be a Diamond DA62.
(Edited to mention that the total of four on board, have reported to have passed away. RIP) |
Outline article on BBC website: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48301828
Three Britons and a South African were aboard |
Ok, thanks - new here. what is the procedure for getting threads deleted or merged?
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Originally Posted by Repos
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Ok, thanks - new here. what is the procedure for getting threads deleted or merged?
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What part of town did it come down? Article just says 3 miles south of the airport? I used to live about 3 miles south and have friends there. |
Mushrif Park
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Originally Posted by I'm not joking sir
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Mushrif Park
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DXB Light Aircraft Crash
Originally Posted by Odins Raven
(Post 10472929)
Cheers. Not really south as reported and lucky it wasn’t closer to the City. RIP the 4 crew killed and my thoughts and prayers are with the next of kin. |
Difficult to have any idea what could have happened. The manoeuvres are all well within aircraft performance, nothing special in that sense. Also, as they are usually within 10miles or so of the airport facilities for ILS/marker calibration, it would seem to have happened very suddenly. RIP all.
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Don't worry. Dubai Media Office reports all running smoothly at DXB following "a minor incident involving a small plane". Minor? Not for those involved & their loved ones...clearly the DMO needs some lessons in sensitive reporting and to extend their vocabulary with a few adjectives such as"sad" or "tragic".....
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Dubai Diamond
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-48301828 Rest in peace, my friend - some good times throughout the years. |
Seems so bizarre with such qualified, experienced people on board , and good weather..... anybody got any clues ( trying to avoid gross speculation)...
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Anyone know if FlightRadar24 tracks non schedule flights? If yes, how do you find them. In my day (over 20yrs ago) Transponder was on with discreet squawk. If correct, Mushrif Park is the approach end of 30L. Hence they could have been performing an ILS calibration at the edges of the approved beam, either GS or LOC.
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Wake turbulence? |
Have they released the names yet? Know a few guys from cobham/FRA who moved on and wanted to check. |
Originally Posted by Eau de Boeing
(Post 10474408)
Have they released the names yet? Know a few guys from cobham/FRA who moved on and wanted to check. |
For one, see the military aircrew section. Sad news. |
Thanks Duchess Driver, Saw DP but not the others. |
Eau de Boeing you have pmail |
Originally Posted by eckhard
(Post 10474282)
Wake turbulence? |
Originally Posted by ironbutt57
(Post 10474588)
that's my bet...
ATC DXB are very aware of wake turbulence, so are the crews concerned. In addition the crew were incredibly experienced. I honestly think this will be a “wait for the AAIB report” situation, long as it will be. |
Originally Posted by Chilli Monster
(Post 10475106)
It won’t be mine, having flown with the people concerned, flown the aircraft concerned, and done exactly the same job in Dubai (and lots of other places) with the same company. ATC DXB are very aware of wake turbulence, so are the crews concerned. In addition the crew were incredibly experienced. I honestly think this will be a “wait for the AAIB report” situation, long as it will be. RIP... |
ATC DXB are very aware of wake turbulence
hmmm...not uncommon for an arriving aircraft to be at the top end of the GS causing a wake encounter with somebody who is following it properly, had this arise more than once arriving in Dubai...I sure wouldn't rule it out... |
Originally Posted by ironbutt57
(Post 10475235)
hmmm...not uncommon for an arriving aircraft to be at the top end of the GS causing a wake encounter with somebody who is following it properly, had this arise more than once arriving in Dubai...I sure wouldn't rule it out...
1) This wasn’t near the top of the GS 2) Calibration flights aren’t vectored and sequenced like conventional arrivals 3) This wasn’t even to the runway in use Take it from someone who knows - yes, conventional arrivals probably do get a little as you stated, where you stated. I don’t however think speculation is appropriate if you’re not familiar with the nature of the operation, which is very different to most “Conventional Aviators” understanding. |
by top of the glideslope I was referring to the deviation limits, not the top, or commencement of the final approach sector, in any vent, sad to hear, I'm sure the investigation will yield the true cause
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Originally Posted by Beafer
(Post 10476248)
A local resident watched the plane take a gradual left turn towards the park.
https://gulfnews.com/uae/dubai-plane...ash-1.64009994 |
CFIT , no one paying attention?
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Originally Posted by fatbus
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CFIT , no one paying attention?
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Originally Posted by eckhard
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Wake turbulence? |
Chilli 1- you must be the worlds best pilot . Good for you . ESL ? It was simply an observation. |
not as before ...unique conditions ....check ur facts
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.not as before ...unique conditions ....check ur facts |
Why 4 POB? The DA42 is a single pilot aircraft and they would only need one engineer/technician to set up the recordings for each run.What were the other two doing? |
I believe it was a DA62, not the 42, but yes can be operated single crew. |
Originally Posted by lucille
(Post 10479386)
Why 4 POB? The DA42 is a single pilot aircraft and they would only need one engineer/technician to set up the recordings for each run.What were the other two doing? As others have pointed out we might have a small chance for a decent investigation on this one. |
Do they require more people for the approach light / runway light set up? ( whatever the technical name) I believe this will be a wake accident. Approaches to 30R with light winds from the north...a bad recipe, especially if the campfire talk is true the DA called “traffic in sight”. |
Only one technician in the back is all that’s required, he/she sets up the recording for the calibration run and communicates with ground navaid techs to get the desired settings on the ground equipment. Wake turbulence is a possibility. Although if it’s any of the ILS components being checked, there can’t be any large pieces of metal between them and the transmitter thus precluding wake turbulence once the calibration run has been commenced. Hell of a long way to ferry a DA62 just to calibrate half a dozen runways in the UAE. Interesting. |
Originally Posted by lucille
(Post 10479754)
Although if it’s any of the ILS components being checked, there can’t be any large pieces of metal between them and the transmitter thus precluding wake turbulence once the calibration run has been commenced. That was my understanding as well, but that would not be the case if the were working on the approach lighting. This is is why CM’s post are a little off. If he/she had known they were working on the lights, maybe he/she could then see a possible wake encounter, especially given the wx conditions. |
I personally am not very hopeful for a report to be published as soon as we would like.
Something just doesn't add up here as the press has been drip fed information, some of which was incorrect to start off with and all traces of flight tracking data from the aircraft concerned, were removed from the internet within a couple of hours of the unfortunate event. When people sadly loose lives, it is nothing short of a tragic accident and not an incident, as it has been described both here in the UAE, as well as the UK. Call me a cynic and I truly hope to be proved wrong for the sake of friends and relatives of those who passed away but I detect that there are people in this hot part of the world, who want this to be swept under the carpet. |
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