EK orders A330neo and A350-900s
 

It's official, A380 orders reduced to 14. Production and deliveries for A380 end in 2021.

40 A330-900 neos, and 30 A350-900s will be delivered starting in 2021 and 2024 respectively.

https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/pres...dy-orders.html

https://www.emirates.com/media-centr...s-30-a350-900s

Finally some common sense! I guess the sacking of CM a few days ahead of that decision is to have AAR lose only half of his face ("in the future we will need the bigger 380, because we open the doors and the passengers flock in ....), but the verdict has CM's handwriting all over the texts. He saw the white elephant in EK's room from day one. But sure enough the local talent could not have this admission of a wrong fleet choice traced back to CM's advice.

The writing was on the wall for the 380.

Is there really a point in mixing 330 neo / 350 in a fleet ?

So any profit share this year?

It's the same typerating.

Runour has it they're trying to wiggle out of that deal, or convert the orders to more 777X.
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330 NEO, 350, 380, 787, 777 (various types)... good fleet standardisation.

I still see a lot of overlap between the 330 and the 350 - are those sufficiently different to warrant having both (even if they have the same type rating) ?

I guess the somewhat antiquated NEOs are simply available earlier than the modern and more desired 350ies. And EK desperately needs smaller equipment but came too late on to the order sheet for either 787 or 350.
To keep both on the order list, with an eventual withdrawal looming, might put pressure on both manufacturers.
A common (but lame) ruse by airlines

The 787 "Order" is only an MOU, easy to cancel..

looks like the unmentionables down the street got some relief from their 350 orders they were trying to "re-home"

Did you read the link? Posted for you so all you have to do is click on it.

I suspect you're correct about being able to pick up the A330 NEOs much sooner - the 787, 777X, and A350 order books are pretty much full for the next five years. The A330 is really the only widebody out there that has significant open delivery spots near term.

Etihad is about to cancel thier A359 order thus opening thier slots imediately as they are due for delivery end of 2019. A380 to A359 course only takes a few days. Also we can buy thier A359 sim thats about ready for delivery as well!
So A359 order seems a good choice. Expect these in our fleet by early 2020.

ref to the A330 NEO, we need 280pax aircraft to operate on lower dencity routes as the loss we currently make on 777ER sectors is not good. Althou no idea when well get A330 NEO slots.

And finaly the 787 order. These will be concerted to 77Xs.

Our A380/777ER fleet numbers will reduce significanly as over next few years they being returned to lossors. Hence we need the A359 to cover this shortfall. Only about 50 A380 will be kept at the end and lease extended till the end of the airframe cycles.

I personaly think its a very wise choise what they doing with this new fleet arangement. Might not make sence to a few to have again 4 fleet types but in the long run it will be better.

Where are you getting that information from? Deliveries for the A359 are scheduled to start in 2024.

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Shangaan. You use a lot of "we" in your post.

I'm not sure if you work for EK, but most of the pilot fraternity don't use the term "we". AAR has made sure there is no we in us.

Also words like imediatly, dencity, althou, finaly, signiificanly, lossors, choise, arangment don't exist.

As for the fleet update, best news ever.

Deliveries. The sooner the better for tractor drivers. Nothing like sharing the car again with a 330 driver complaining about their third KBL for the week. Or the relentless India night turns. Do you know how many days off l get? Minimum!

A380 was destined for demise for the last seven years with orders drying up tighter than a Nuns nasty.

The fact that EK went for the RR engines on the A380 knowing they were **** beggars belief.
What were they expecting with fuel burn numbers?

If STC hasn't got a waterfront villa on the Cote d'zur, or two courtesy of RR and/or AB, then he is not looking after #1.

The 787 is dead. Yay.

Very happy John Deer operator.

halas

To my knowledge the A359 is bigger than the A339 Neo. According to Airbus.com it's 325 to 287 Passengers. So it makes sense to buy both

I personally think it's highly likely that RR nominated TC for his knighthood.

Should it be true, then I personally find it comical how the self centred interests of one of the biggest bastions of the A380, only accelerated the eventual demise of its production. Maybe there would be more life left in the old girl if the GP7000 remained the powerplant of choice?

Looking at the numbers. There aren't many neos on order. So likely that EK got some good delivery slots and the A/C will be available earlier

Although the Engine Alliance is technically a joint venture between Pratt and GE, my friends at both Pratt and GE tell me that Pratt was very much a 'junior partner' - GE ran things. And of the 'big three', GE keeps a much closer eye on the bottom line - they only do things if they think it makes financial sense. GE sees the GP7000 as an orphan - it has little commonality with any other GE engines and is a point design for the A380 - plus making the A380 better would likely hurt other GE programs (e.g. 777X and 747-8). So when TC said he'd order more A380s, but only if they improved the fuel burn, GE looked at what it would take and what it would cost, figured it was good money after bad, and said 'no thanks'.

[QUOTE]Being forced onto the 330/350 at EK would be a job ender for many. Nothing but India / Pakistan night turns./QUOTE]

Nothing has been announced regards routes, the new 330 NEO may do its fair share of turns, but the 350 is best at 8-12 hour flights. The 777 and 380 will continue to do their share of Turnarounds. Turns suit some colleagues and not others same with ULRs and everything in between.

SyB :ouch:

I agree with Sheikh Your Bootie. Those Boeing pilots that now think they will be able to say goodbye to night turnarounds, could be rather disappointed. A quick look at my logbook shows that nearly all of my night turns in the past few months have been very busy if not close to full. Therefore I can't see the company being in a rush to reduce capacity with using a 330, when demand is already buoyant.

Perhaps the 330 is going to be better suited to plying routes with weaker demand and maybe suck up some of FlyDubai's best performing routes to the likes of Europe etc? I think the 777 will have its share of turns at the back of the clock for some time to come.

It will certainly help though EM. There are a few spots in Indian where seat limits mean 100 seats have to be left empty in the 77er . Inter gulf flights are normally an over kill when done with the 777 .
Timing is almost perfect as it always is when the merde fLows from one fleet to the other . Pretty constant cycle over the past few decades .