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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10371976)
I understand it to be 12 hrs but extension of 2 hrs is allowed on top of that? Not including duties after parking brake is applied. |
Originally Posted by fatbus
(Post 10373722)
You will find the FTL's more or less the same with most CAA's. Don't confuse union negotiated FTLs with CAA FTLs. Fatigue is subjective and very individual. Some of the ME boys and girls mistakenly think they are hard done by . There are plenty of options now on the market but they neglect to take advantage of them. Instead just complain and continually look for sympathy. |
Originally Posted by Mr Angry from Purley
(Post 10374572)
AIMINGHIGH You're a loose cannon. Under CAP371 (old UK) you could do 2 sectors 13.15hrs + 1.15hr variation (level3) and 2 hours discretion.
Beyond that, through loops and hoops with implications, 15 is the absolute max for 2 pilot ops sans inflight rest. Plannable only up to 14 hrs, however. The last hour is for the unforeseen AFTER the duty would commence. |
Orla, I believe this isn't the first thread here on this same topic. What, if anything, came of the previous thread a couple of years ago?
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Hi there, Thanks so much for your responses. I’m totally happy to discuss my previous post with anybody would like to contact me directly. Many thanks, Orla |
Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10375106)
However they don’t take allowance for after flight duties. Unless you just park brake on and go.
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Originally Posted by poohpooh1
(Post 10375794)
Hi there, Thanks so much for your responses. I’m totally happy to discuss my previous post with anybody would like to contact me directly. Many thanks, Orla Pprune was banned in the Middle East as it was having a negative outcome on positive recruitment. Current pilots in the Middle East are wary of posting here. Many pilots fly to the maximum permissible hours as dictated by GCAA (Gulf Civil Aviation Authority) “guidelines”. As pilots fly/operate the aircraft (takeoff and landing), they log Operating hours fully. As pilot gets near to the maximum permissible hours, companies make the pilots Augment which means they become “cruise” pilots. The problem becomes that an Augment pilot is only credited with a much lower credited flight/stick time, even though that pilot is in the aircraft as much as the operating pilots. After 2 Augment sectors, perhaps of 20 hours in the aircraft, the Augment pilot might only be credited with only 12 hours flight time which reduces that pilots overall “perceived” time at work. To summarise, the operating pilots log 20 hours and the previously overworked pilot who is augmenting will now only be able to log 12 hours stick time, even though all pilots spent the same time in the aircraft. Anotherway for a pilot who is running high on flying hours to be utilised is to put them on simulator standby at any time day or night. This simulator duty is not counted towards flight time maximum limitations, but a simulator duty is actually often more exhausting than a normal flight. Hence, the practice of making high hour pilots fly Augment flights and become a simulator stand in tires the pilot much more while actually bringing down the pilots hours when he can then operate flights in a potentially more tired state. To many it’s part of the job but I have heard Pilots in all Airlines say that they wouldn’t drive their car as tired as they fly the plane in certain situations. Rgds Jack |
Originally Posted by jack schidt
(Post 10381443)
Pprune was banned in the Middle East as it was having a negative outcome on positive recruitment. Current pilots in the Middle East are wary of posting here. Many pilots fly to the maximum permissible hours as dictated by GCAA (Gulf Civil Aviation Authority) “guidelines”. As pilots fly/operate the aircraft (takeoff and landing), they log Operating hours fully. As pilot gets near to the maximum permissible hours, companies make the pilots Augment which means they become “cruise” pilots. The problem becomes that an Augment pilot is only credited with a much lower credited flight/stick time, even though that pilot is in the aircraft as much as the operating pilots. After 2 Augment sectors, perhaps of 20 hours in the aircraft, the Augment pilot might only be credited with only 12 hours flight time which reduces that pilots overall “perceived” time at work. To summarise, the operating pilots log 20 hours and the previously overworked pilot who is augmenting will now only be able to log 12 hours stick time, even though all pilots spent the same time in the aircraft. Anotherway for a pilot who is running high on flying hours to be utilised is to put them on simulator standby at any time day or night. This simulator duty is not counted towards flight time maximum limitations, but a simulator duty is actually often more exhausting than a normal flight. Hence, the practice of making high hour pilots fly Augment flights and become a simulator stand in tires the pilot much more while actually bringing down the pilots hours when he can then operate flights in a potentially more tired state. To many it’s part of the job but I have heard Pilots in all Airlines say that they wouldn’t drive their car as tired as they fly the plane in certain situations. Rgds Jack Jack, I worked at EK for 14 years and i can safely say that what you have posted is 100% true. There have been numerous times that I have been so fatigued at work (on a roster that was "legal") that is was difficult to count the fingers on one hand. Interestingly, if given the choice to fly fatigued or fly drunk, I'd pick flying drunk anytime despite never having done so. I have flown fatigued with EK many times, part of the reason I told them it was time to look elsewhere for a pay cheque. The clock is ticking and their luck will run out....CNN is waiting with the global coverage when it does....because it will be a history making event! |
i used to work in Europe and i have moved to the middle east
i can speak with you for this matter and why pilots is not interested in Europe anymore |
Originally Posted by super380
(Post 10382223)
i used to work in Europe and i have moved to the middle east
i can speak with you for this matter and why pilots is not interested in Europe anymore |
Originally Posted by jack schidt
(Post 10381443)
Pprune was banned in the Middle East as it was having a negative outcome on positive recruitment. Current pilots in the Middle East are wary of posting here. I don't think there is much concern as most who live in the UAE who post stuff on this site, are generally doing so by either using public WiFi networks whilst downroute, or those that do post within the UAE, now have to do so behind the cloak of anonymity with a VPN. |
Jack, If your too tired, why are you going to work/simulator ??? |
Originally Posted by benttrees
(Post 10385016)
Jack, If your too tired, why are you going to work/simulator ??? |
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