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Old 24th Jan 2019, 22:05
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BBC Middle East

Hi there,

Iím a BBC broadcast journalist and Iím working on a story about the FTLs and the Middle East.

I was hoping to speak with pilots who have left the Middle East in the last year and a half.

My email address is orla.oí[email protected]

Many thanks,

Orla
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 07:57
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Why donít you write about FTLís in Europe ?
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 08:19
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Originally Posted by poohpooh1 View Post
Hi there,

Iím a BBC broadcast journalist and Iím working on a story about the FTLs and the Middle East.

I was hoping to speak with pilots who have left the Middle East in the last year and a half.

My email address is orla.oí[email protected]

Many thanks,

Orla
Write down about the "EASA" FTL in the sandpit...
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 08:20
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Why donít you write about FTLís in Europe ?
Do any aviation authorities in Europe allow flight time factoring?
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 09:56
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What about Europe? Iím flying 95+ hours short haul this month. Duty Hours nearly 200. 50hr week with early to lates etc 9 days off in total of which 2 are leave days.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 11:33
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I thought you were working for EK, Aiminghigh? Anyway it wonít matter, your roster will still be about the same!!
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 12:01
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Originally Posted by Ramones View Post
Why don’t you write about FTL’s in Europe ?

Well this is the ME forum so...

Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
What about Europe? I’m flying 95+ hours short haul this month. Duty Hours nearly 200. 50hr week with early to lates etc 9 days off in total of which 2 are leave days.
Hahahahahaha, that's like a typical EK roster except here you get the added bonus of mostly back of the clock departures, missing 4-8 nights of sleep a month, time zone changes etc.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 12:23
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I thought you were working for EK, Aiminghigh? Anyway it wonít matter, your roster will still be about the same!!
Yeah but earning more then £3k a month and more days at home. Might be short haul but we have night stops. Itís not the duty hours that are hard itís the deadheading. Looking at all my mates rosters at EK they all have more days at home.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 12:33
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Aiminghigh, you seem to have all the answers . Why do you come to this site when you already know better than everyone else?
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 13:43
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Originally Posted by donpizmeov View Post
Aiminghigh, you seem to have all the answers . Why do you come to this site when you already know better than everyone else?
Trying to give the positives I have found out.
I donít deny night turns are hard or the Middle East culture is very different to what many are used to. My misses is from ME so I have had an introduction to that.
For some it is hell for others itís ok.
Like everything positives and negatives. This site is full of negatives but there are positives.
Definetly in my circumstances.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 14:26
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More days at home? Probably easier to measure nights at home in your own bed. At flybe, how many nights a month on average are you not in your own bed? 2? 3?
Varies massively. Recently have had months of 10-12 away. Before that 2-5 average. And Iím on min nightstops.
Have had a few people come back to Flybe from ME airlines. All have left and returned, couldnít believe how things have changed.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 14:39
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AIMINGHIGH123 do yourself an enormous favour and actually take a little more notice of the people on here, as a recent leaver at EK I can categorically state that apart from most of your colleagues on the flightdeck the place is the most toxic, vindictive, uncaring excuse of an employer you will ever have the misfortune to be indebted too.
On the one hand you have expat management minions of all sorts spending the majority of their day ar$e covering their own incompetence whilst engaging in a [email protected] version of a sociopaths wet dream e.g. inventing new and idiotic edicts that rely on threats, punishment and financial consequences for the mildest infraction, inadvertent or otherwise.
All of this is directed by those from high above who view all staff as nothing more than replaceable and expendable and whom are their possessions to use and abuse as needed.
The palpable reality of no longer being under the heel of a despotic organisation is measurable, in my case my health and happiness. Anyone at EK who says they are even remotely happy and rested are either deluded, deceitful or have come from such beacons of freedom and joy like sub Saharan Africa, Central and South America or have been on the property for less than 5 minutes.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123 View Post
Definetly in my circumstances.
You haven't even arrived yet!!!!!!!

I'm starting to think you are a troll.
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 15:15
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Am I missing something here. AimingHigh worked for Emirates and not happy. Now FlyBe and seemingly not happy?
I heard Qatar have introduced an EASA type FTL in the ME. Anyone else??
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 16:10
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Originally Posted by SOPS View Post
I thought you were working for EK, Aiminghigh? Anyway it wonít matter, your roster will still be about the same!!
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Check his posts, just click on the name : you guys are being trolled by a ntr kiddo desperate for Wizz air and another fantastic jobs in Europe ...
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Old 25th Jan 2019, 19:11
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I am assuming that at least part of the BBC's interest would be in the differences of how the FTLs are applied in the Middle East. That's the real difference to regulations in a functioning democracy. Since there are no division of power and no checks and balances, the government owned airlines in the Middle East can pretty much do whatever they want. Who would stop them ? Not the government.

I haven't seen systematically falsified documentation of check-in times and thereby flight duty times in Europe. What's written is one thing, what's applied in reality is quite another in the Middle East. Rules are bent and broken, exceptions are the standard and there is no legal relief available. Nor are there unions or the free press to turn to. Not even the medical department is independent.

The result of pilots being intimidated and overworked is no coincidence. It is as clearly intended as the exploitation of construction labourers and the suppression of dissidents and journalists.

I encourage you to contact Orla and make your contribution to letting the traveling public know, what they are really getting onboard with.
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Check his posts, just click on the name : you guys are being trolled by a ntr kiddo desperate for Wizz air and another fantastic jobs in Europe ...
If you hadnít noticed Flybe had weeks left before it would have gone under yeah just sit back and let that happen. I reacted to that information. Canít have all your eggs in one basket.
Most of you guys either seem stuck for some reason or are scared to leave. I hated my previous career walked in one day and handed my notice in. Best decision I ever made.
The industry as a whole is very different, read the BA thread. If you donít believe them ask people. I know at least 40 odd people at BA, maybe 10 are happy. Others mixed. I know of some who have left and are at EK. Why? Same same but get more money at EK. Thatís what they told me.
You can always have a look on LinkedIn for proof. British Airways Emirates. A few come up without looking too hard.
If I had the choice I would go CX. Not looking just at the airline but the opportunity to live in HK. My favourite city. Then Singapore. Dubai and EK will not be a magical world I get that but we have friends there which will help with socialising particularly for my misses. We are 100% city folk. We could never live outside of a city.
Misses can quit work and retrain while looking after little ones (nursery costs alone are £1.5k+ per child not full time), although she has been offered a very good job in Dubai if she wants it.
Our mortgage will be paid while away even if we spend all my salary we would still be benefiting from that.
Obviously I have back up plans. Iím not just coming out on a whim. You need that with anything.

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Old 26th Jan 2019, 00:30
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Rant over this thread is about FTL.

EASA limits are pretty horrendous they should be looked at as well.

TFS-ARN-TFS anyone. Thatís about 12-13 hrs flight time in a 737. Add in turnaround plus check in maybe a slot. 14+ hour day easily. EASA says thatís fine.

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Old 26th Jan 2019, 03:35
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If you hadnít noticed Flybe had weeks left before it would have gone under yeah just sit back and let that happen. I reacted to that information. Canít have all your eggs in one basket.
Most of you guys either seem stuck for some reason or are scared to leave. I hated my previous career walked in one day and handed my notice in. Best decision I ever made.
The industry as a whole is very different, read the BA thread. If you donít believe them ask people. I know at least 40 odd people at BA, maybe 10 are happy. Others mixed. I know of some who have left and are at EK. Why? Same same but get more money at EK. Thatís what they told me.
If I had the choice I would go CX. Not looking just at the airline but the opportunity to live in HK. My favourite city. Then Singapore. Dubai and EK will not be a magical world I get that but we have friends there which will help with socialising particularly for my misses. We are 100% city folk. We could never live outside of a city.
Misses can quit work and retrain while looking after little ones (nursery costs alone are £1.5k+ per child not full time), although she has been offered a very good job in Dubai if she wants it.
Our mortgage will be paid while away even if we spend all my salary we would still be benefiting from that.
Obviously I have back up plans. Iím not just coming out on a whim. You need that with anything.

you are full of Brown-25....
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Old 26th Jan 2019, 14:01
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AIMINGHIGH123, IMHO; I'm not sure why you are all over this forum trying to convince bitter strangers, who will never agree with you, why your reasons for joining EK are valid. Maybe you are trying to convince yourself?

If you are really sure that EK is the right place for you then go for it; spend your time and effort making it work for you instead of wasting it on here.
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