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Originally Posted by Jack D
(Post 10230822)
Thats a “ local” bill ..or possibly one of the Russkie party animals whose numbers seem to be in decline these days .. Tres Vulgare and fits the total lack of class But, it is all part and parcel of life in Dubai - whether you partake in it or just observe it and that amount of disposable income in circulation is a major driver of inflation for all goods. Hence the £15+ for a beer at an average bar or £10 for 100g of coffee as mentioned in a previous post. |
I was in Germany recently and went grocery shopping there. For what I could buy there, it is nothing compared to Dubai. Go shopping for 5 to 10 items and you definitely need to fork out between 70 to 80 AED. Milk alone sets you back between 5 to 10 AED. Life here is expensive and I think most of us don't want to live like beggers. It is just not worth staying here as all money we make gets sucked out of your pocket before you had time to check you bank balance.
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10230806)
EK rosters? Well I have heard both sides of the coin. A colleague went there 2 years ago and he says it’s ok, not easy but with a bit of personal management you can survive. |
Does Emirates provide a public seniority list of pilots to its workforce? Can you as a pilot actually see how many pilots there are and where you stand on the seniority list?
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10230970)
Well yes colleagues and friends. I know these people on a personal level it’s natural I would trust them more. I have applied going through the process at the moment. EK is abit like a ladyboy. Attractive from afar, but those in the know keep telling you its a bloke. Still, it looks........ But it is a bloke. And it’s not so much fun when you find out you married it for 5 years. I’ll get me coat. |
Yes I think the resignation rate is a bit high for the last 6 months but recruiting rate also is acceptable, but the problem is the level of experience is going down as of the turbo prop guys joining right now, but i think its a good chance for thise guys to prove that they are good enough to be on the wide body seat. I wish it gets better because it will help every one and will help the company , just need to be a bit positive and optimistic about it, the company had an awesome time before so its normal to have some difficulties between time and time as the hole industry around the world is running short of pilot. Pilots in the company sharing there experiences and ideas to make work better but the problem no one would here or even give it a try. Thats true that we are very rare to fly less that 85 hours per month and mixing night and day and ULR and short TA’s. The only thing that i would really like to give the company a heads up is look up for your folks health. Unfortubately now the company have stopped the live leave until further notice, and the 42 days leave is not granted too. I would still have the hope that till the end of this year it will get better and we will go back for the laxuries rosters of 60-70 hours flying |
Adam perfect analogy! |
Originally Posted by mikeobflya
(Post 10230946)
Does Emirates provide a public seniority list of pilots to its workforce? Can you as a pilot actually see how many pilots there are and where you stand on the seniority list?
Thanks. |
If its online one way or another it can be copied
Felix very easy to download and convert
A link to get you going or just use print function in chrome print to pdf then copy into excel. Takes seconds. But then why bother seniority here is not even worth the paper its printed on. |
Does not matter what we say.. AH123 will never believe it. In about 2 years he might.. but not now ... |
Originally Posted by Joker11
(Post 10230935)
I was in Germany recently and went grocery shopping there. For what I could buy there, it is nothing compared to Dubai. Go shopping for 5 to 10 items and you definitely need to fork out between 70 to 80 AED. Milk alone sets you back between 5 to 10 AED. Life here is expensive and I think most of us don't want to live like beggers. It is just not worth staying here as all money we make gets sucked out of your pocket before you had time to check you bank balance.
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I have lived in the UAE for two years (not EK) but everything except the money and the winter weather is better EVERYWHERE in Europe (including even the UK😏). The fact that you live in a free country where you have certain civil Rights is worth ten times more then a huge stack of dirhams and a fast left seat on a WB. DXB is nice on a layover or perhaps on a commuting contract but to live there fulltime when everyone in Europe is hiring is just plain stupid. |
Originally Posted by checkerboard6
(Post 10231641)
Really? I don't know what you buying boet but life is expensive most decent places in the world these days. I do some shopping on trips and some here, purchase alot of locally grown produce is in the CO-OP these days and its not expensive.
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EK resignations are up again, everybody else leaves but not the guys who post for 10+ years that they are leaving
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Originally Posted by AIMINGHIGH123
(Post 10232062)
Ok I try again. Yorshire, SOPS, why don’t you leave? For us we want away from Europe. If we stay it would have to be London. Middle East as my wife spent 10 years growing up there, she likes it and would go back, or Far East HK, Singapore. Problems with HK, Singapore we don’t have friends there, UAE we have friends and family. Thats why we want to live there, so I have to choose either EK or the blue one. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10232104)
I did!!!! You must be really new here!!
Says it all if he's now accepted by EK recruitment. 2 years turboprop experience is all you need. If he wants to live over here, that's a personal choice for him and his family, but I am extremely concerned about the lack of experience in new joiners at Emirates these days. |
AimingHigh123,
Although some of the guys in here have a tendancy to slightly over exaggerate, their comments are still very close to reality....about 95% accurate. I'm not sure why you keep positing on here, defending your decision to come to EK. You have obviously made your mind up. You dont need to defend your decision to a bunch of strangers on this forum. Good luck with your application and recruitment process. But if we fly together sometime in the future, dont complain.....because you have now been given enough information about the realities here. Eternity. |
Originally Posted by Craggenmore
(Post 10230702)
Last nightstop in LHR at the local Sainsbury the Nescafe Azera Americano Barista Style Instant Coffee Tin at 100g was £3.00
Today in Dubai at Park n Shop £9.50 |
Every colleague I speak to at EK tells me the same thing and also often the reason why they can't leave. So yes what you read here is pretty accurate to real situation out there.
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Originally Posted by Joker11
(Post 10233169)
Every colleague I speak to at EK tells me the same thing and also often the reason why they can't leave. So yes what you read here is pretty accurate to real situation out there.
One might say I'm Stuck here but my kids are almost done with school and with greener pastures out there I will probably leave as I would have nearly 20 yrs. It was good earlier on but `I don't think anyone can say EK is a good airline now, not in anyway. Combine with who we are hiring and our fatigue levels we are an accident just waiting to happen and I don't want any part of this airline. £20,000 a month is not even worth it anymore. |
Originally Posted by BANANASBANANAS
(Post 10230783)
Agreed. Unfortunately, the expensive prices apply to most everyday items too. It's not a competition and we do see high prices around the world but Dubai does seem to kick it to the next level in my opinion - on all goods, luxury to basic needs. There is no escape from the high cost of living here unless you are prepared to live frugally - which defeats one of the purposes of becoming an expat for most people. Potential new joiners really need to factor these costs in and not simply convert Dubai salary to their current currency and think they will become rich quickly. It all depends where you live and to which supermarkets you go. Sometimes one item got a crazy price at Spinneys Downtown but at the next supermarket f.e. it’s less. If you order your food online bis InstaShop f.e. you ll get most of the times better prices than if you go by yourself, but it depends on the area you live and which supermarket you can trust to deliver good things. My living costs are higher than before yes. Are they so much higher: no. Just Food and daily needed goods we spend round about 30% more than before a month. But that’s bearable. If you go out: there are cheap restaurants with good food, there are expensive maybe more stylish places in s nice environment with good food. So it depends on your choice. But yes you can waste money easily . The party bill which was posted above is no fake and that’s what you pay for in some clubs here in the VIP section where girls come easy... |
Can anyone tell me what, if any, death in service benefits EK gives it pilots? thanks |
If you die you get two days off. Three if next duty is an LRV. |
Originally Posted by ezydriver
(Post 10233424)
Can anyone tell me what, if any, death in service benefits EK gives it pilots? thanks the loss of license Co. insurance is; Basic salary Yrs old: Up to 62 > 36 mos 62- 63 > 24 mos 63- 64. >12 mos 64+ nil |
The day off policy when you die is a great improvement. You use to be marked absent and have your pay reduced at the daily rate. See not everything is bad here.
You will of course still get the warning letter from fleet . But that is to be expected. |
Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 10233480)
The day off policy when you die is a great improvement. You use to be marked absent and have your pay reduced at the daily rate. See not everything is bad here.
You will of course still get the warning letter from fleet . But that is to be expected. MS |
I forgot about that MS . Do they make the rest of your death month roster Can use in that case?
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I know of one case at least where the pilot died on the 6th day of the month but the family was asked if his corpse could be used for the remainder of the month as an augmenting pilot. Adel had heard from Tim that "those lazy pilots don't do anything anyway". A culture with a strong bent towards literalism will have these kind of consequences from time to time.
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Is he the same one they roll out every now and then as contract TRE on the 777 Drop? Those airline meals really do help with preservation . He was up for a SVP job in Fleet I believe, but some fella from a Euro loco said he would do it for less money.
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It’s just getting worse.
Originally Posted by Rainman7
(Post 10229425)
Very little job satisfaction, and zero work/life balance, is what Ek comes down too. Ek is trying to be a first world airline with third world mentality/management. If work is all you want to do, then its the place for you. Rosters are non existent, pay & conditions are below standard compared to first world/top airlines, toxic hostile work enviornment, factory housing, treated with very little respect etc. looking forward to leaving as well, its been an eye opener for sure. On principle there’s nothing wrong with that. However, if you’re looking for a little respect, loyalty or even a jot of assistance/support/security/help in any capacity, then forget it. Come here if you’re desperate. It used to be the airline of choice; now it’s the airline of desperation. |
Originally Posted by Adam Barfy
(Post 10230999)
I’m afraid youre suffering from shiny jet syndrome. Come on over. Bring the family. We all know youre going to anyway, regardless of what we say. EK is abit like a ladyboy. Attractive from afar, but those in the know keep telling you its a bloke. Still, it looks........ But it is a bloke. And it’s not so much fun when you find out you married it for 5 years. I’ll get me coat. |
Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding
(Post 10235487)
....typed from the comfort of your own home in your home country, living in freedom? Plenty of of reasons why guys can’t “just leave”. 5 year training bonds, plus another 2 years if you stick around for that. Any outstanding personal debt is also a big trap unless you do a runner, kids in school mid-term, not being able to return to your home country mid-tax year or else face a big tax bill, and probably the easiest bit in the current market - finding a job back home. As as you can see it’s not a matter of if, but when. Something you will hopefully appreciate with a few years under your belt in the sandpit as an expat. |
Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding
(Post 10235487)
....typed from the comfort of your own home in your home country, living in freedom? Plenty of of reasons why guys can’t “just leave”. 5 year training bonds, plus another 2 years if you stick around for that. Any outstanding personal debt is also a big trap unless you do a runner, kids in school mid-term, not being able to return to your home country mid-tax year or else face a big tax bill, and probably the easiest bit in the current market - finding a job back home. As as you can see it’s not a matter of if, but when. Something you will hopefully appreciate with a few years under your belt in the sandpit as an expat. After 3 years the end of service benefit is equal to the oustanding bond. Lose nothing gain you sanity back. |
Good evening. Just as a perspective from my new employer.. those that know me now know I drive trains for a living: Today I started 3 weeks leave.. the dates I asked for were granted without question.. I have another 2 weeks of in March .. again granted at the times I requested .. and as we get 7 weeks leave a year .. I still have two weeks up my sleeve... I don’t earn the money I used to... but I love my job and have so much time off.. |
Originally Posted by SOPS
(Post 10238867)
Good evening. Just as a perspective from my new employer.. those that know me now know I drive trains for a living: Today I started 3 weeks leave.. the dates I asked for were granted without question.. I have another 2 weeks of in March .. again granted at the times I requested .. and as we get 7 weeks leave a year .. I still have two weeks up my sleeve... I don’t earn the money I used to... but I love my job and have so much time off.. |
Whats the word on the proposed 3 year secondment of easyJet pilots to EK? Not much in the way of detail available here but none of it makes any sense for easyjet at all?
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None of it makes sense to us at EK. A three year secondment when a five year bond is being peddled to everyone that joins?
Unless EK management expect those that join to stay and even that is a tough call, since I am led to believe that easyJet will 'protect' their place at their existing easyJet base, so that they can simply 'slot' in back to the orange operation. The more appealing it is made to join EK, it in turn is made more appealing to jump back to easyJet after their soiree in the Gulf. 5/4 at easyJet versus 11 days between two days off (on the 777). It's a no brainer as far as I am concerned! Whilst it is unlikely most from easyJet would joining the 777, their rosters will still not be as bad as your average 380 roster. If any of my 380 colleagues wish to dispute that, then how many have had 3 blocks of 4 days off in a row in August 18? Some will but not many I suspect? |
Just as a perspective from my new employer, I have 52 weeks a year off, all at the dates I requested. Unfortunately I can't get any more days off than that but c'est la vie once you leave EK. I do love my job, however.
Pointless post? Yes, but there are others. |
Yeah it’s not making much sense at the Orange end either. It’s for the 380 only I understand, also secondment maybe the wrong description as one of the very few details Easyjet has released so far is that you would have to resign from Easyjet and be issued with a new contract that starts in exactly 3 years. This one detail seems to be the major blocker to most orange guys as going to the desert placing all trust on an Easyjet promise that is dated 3 years in the future is a leap of faith too far. |
PS Ryanair have 5/4, Easyjet is 5354 or FRV if your either nuts or an SO or FO. SFO and Captain has the fixed pattern. In the U.K. anyway. |
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