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what_goes_up

11th May 2018 15:43

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Originally Posted by desertcamel (Post 10144123)

So yeah, in EK you can fail a stand in or sim support, they are graded.

Not true. Support sim are not graded. But if you grossly misbehave or extremely under perform in a way that the examiner believes you are not safe on the line, he has to take action and inform training management.

what_goes_up

11th May 2018 17:29

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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes (Post 10144238)

"He has to take action and inform training management....."
If he has to do that then its graded, no matter how you try to explain it.
At Ek if you're in the sim, you're under scrutiny!

So you'd rather have someone knowingly badly under performing flying the line rather than being trained to expected standard... Not me!

Adam Barfy

11th May 2018 18:02

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Originally Posted by what_goes_up (Post 10144254)

So you'd rather have someone knowingly badly under performing flying the line rather than being trained to expected standard... Not me!

Trained????? You have been suppin’ too much company Kool Aid.

A day helping out in the sim should never be graded. There are more than enough regulatory checks to prove your competence in this business.

Unsafe operators, should have been found out during the hiring sim or initial training.
A major fault of this airline is too much checking and not enough training.

IBE8720

12th May 2018 04:30

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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes (Post 10144238)

"He has to take action and inform training management....."
If he has to do that then its graded, no matter how you try to explain it.
At Ek if you're in the sim, you're under scrutiny!

will keep that in mind next time I hear you whinging that the standard is low, or that you only get monkeys applying because they pay peanuts. Or that the next incident is a result of the training department.

Every airline I know has the same policy. Support or Stand In SIM, Performance is not graded. Incompetence is not tolerated.

desertcamel

12th May 2018 04:43

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Originally Posted by desertcamel (Post 10144123)

This FO failed his Upgrade training on the 330, and went to the office to complain about how wrong the training standards are and the way his training were handled. After some time, he was called to support a TRE doing his PPC. The FO was marked down for apparently being Non-Std. And sinced he was due for his own PPC, they scheduled that as his recovery training. The TRE where he stood-in was now the checker and the TRI behind was his partner. they failed him, called in by the Chief and was told to resign instead.

So yeah, in EK you can fail a stand in or sim support, they are graded.

i stand corrected, support are not technically graded. But can be reported if incompetence were reflected during the sim. I remember OGS are still submitted for the Support pilot.

what_goes_up

12th May 2018 05:59

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Originally Posted by desertcamel (Post 10144559)

i stand corrected, support are not technically graded. But can be reported if incompetence were reflected during the sim. I remember OGS are still submitted for the Support pilot.

Desert, this used to be on Line Check support... not anymore. Sim support no OGS raised.

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