Is EK worth it?
Hello guys.
I am sorta new to PPRuNe. Just wanted to ask for your pilot opinions about EK. I am on the B777 currently but captain upgrades are at best 12 yrs to narrow body (B777 FO to Narrow body Captain) and 14~15 yrs to wide body. Does anyone know EK's realistic upgrade times from "congratulations your hired FO" to "congratulations captain"? Thank you for reading. |
You picked the wrong day to ask. But good news if you’re under 30 |
After today’s slap in the face. You will be upgrading far quicker than you could ever hope with the increase in resignations. |
Originally Posted by Arcla
(Post 10142925)
After today’s slap in the face. You will be upgrading far quicker than you could ever hope with the increase in resignations. |
Originally Posted by choi3ed
(Post 10142908)
Does anyone know EK's realistic upgrade times from "congratulations your hired FO" to "congratulations captain"?.
Read the 'don't come to EK' threads, and the 'this is wonderful threads'... oh wait, there is none of those. I am not unhappy here. But seeing what has happened in the last decade, and the marked trend, I have recommended anyone who asked to stay away. I would not have moved myself. Cheers. To 3%. |
Currently between 3-4 years. I would stay away. Far, far away.
With the number of resignations coming in the next week after today's slap in the face, the schedule is going to become more and more unbearable. |
is EK worth it? NO.
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Does EK have a 1 strike your out, never to apply for PIC ever again policy?
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Originally Posted by choi3ed
(Post 10143010)
Does EK have a 1 strike your out, never to apply for PIC ever again policy?
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"Desert Snake" I am not in my 20's but early 30's. Is there a bias treatment for people of different ages younger or older?
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Originally Posted by choi3ed
(Post 10143018)
Is there a bias treatment for people of different ages younger or older?
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Originally Posted by flyaway777
(Post 10143032)
No, we are all treated with the same contempt. |
Sorry, I was being facetious. They introduced a minimum age of 35 for command on the 380 (32 on 777) and today, as part of The Great Pay Review of 2018, they reduced it to 30 for both fleets. I believe that’s what Desert Snake was referring to above. |
Originally Posted by flyaway777
(Post 10143038)
Sorry, I was being facetious. They introduced a minimum age of 35 for command on the 380 (32 on 777) and today, as part of The Great Pay Review of 2018, they reduced it to 30 for both fleets. I believe that’s what Desert Snake was referring to above. |
Man. You picked the wrong time to ask this.
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Originally Posted by choi3ed
(Post 10143034)
What could they possibly say or do? It appears to me that EK is understaffed, so they won't fire pilots. Do they dock your salary?
previous terminations were due to Positive Alcohol on test during checking-in ( Sept 2016 - TRI), positive on use of restrictive drugs, nearly crashed a plane due lost of S.A(Moscow and JFK, but the latter probably had a wasta... managed to keep his job,i heard). , mismanagement of time for bottle to throttle - a few have been caught(Colombo, LHR, SIN etc), A capt getting Psycho in the cockpit. , An Austrian FO was fired after failing a stand-in sim session and his recovery session(PPC 330/340). 777 crash in dxb, Dramatic unstabilised approaches( Damascus, Manchester, Sydney, Jeddah- some of this ended up in demotion of the Captain to FO) Do they deduct something from the salary? Yes, for the Absent days or missed assignments. Suspension of eligibility for Bonus for 1 year and a Warning letter raised on the personal file for 1 year. Suspension of Pilots without Pay - unheard of. |
Originally Posted by desertcamel
(Post 10143805)
An Austrian FO was fired after failing a stand-in sim session and his recovery session(PPC 330/340). . If anyone could explain of how an FO could fail a "stand-in-sim session I would appreciate it. Thank you |
[QUOTE=choi3ed;10143997 I don't get unstabilized on the approach or landings... LOL.
Thank you[/QUOTE] Never say never . A few months/years of EK rosters, 5am arrival and these things become more likely. |
Originally Posted by choi3ed
(Post 10143997)
Well, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't fight with people in or out of the cockpit.........
Thank you If you're stupid enough, or in a position where you're desperate enough I guess, to join EK then you'll soon take all of these up!! :} (Ok, just kidding, I didn't meet anyone I wanted to fight in or out of the cockpit. Have to say 95% of the pilots you'll find :ok: and the others are just typical of any large group - there has to be some weirdos!!) |
Originally Posted by choi3ed
(Post 10143997)
Well, I don't drink, I don't smoke, I don't fight with people in or out of the cockpit and I don't get unstabilized on the approach or landings... LOL.
If anyone could explain of how an FO could fail a "stand-in-sim session I would appreciate it. Thank you So yeah, in EK you can fail a stand in or sim support, they are graded. |
Originally Posted by desertcamel
(Post 10144123)
So yeah, in EK you can fail a stand in or sim support, they are graded.
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes
(Post 10144238)
"He has to take action and inform training management....."
If he has to do that then its graded, no matter how you try to explain it. At Ek if you're in the sim, you're under scrutiny! |
Originally Posted by what_goes_up
(Post 10144254)
So you'd rather have someone knowingly badly under performing flying the line rather than being trained to expected standard... Not me!
Trained????? You have been suppin’ too much company Kool Aid. A day helping out in the sim should never be graded. There are more than enough regulatory checks to prove your competence in this business. Unsafe operators, should have been found out during the hiring sim or initial training. A major fault of this airline is too much checking and not enough training. |
Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes
(Post 10144238)
"He has to take action and inform training management....."
If he has to do that then its graded, no matter how you try to explain it. At Ek if you're in the sim, you're under scrutiny! Every airline I know has the same policy. Support or Stand In SIM, Performance is not graded. Incompetence is not tolerated. |
Originally Posted by desertcamel
(Post 10144123)
This FO failed his Upgrade training on the 330, and went to the office to complain about how wrong the training standards are and the way his training were handled. After some time, he was called to support a TRE doing his PPC. The FO was marked down for apparently being Non-Std. And sinced he was due for his own PPC, they scheduled that as his recovery training. The TRE where he stood-in was now the checker and the TRI behind was his partner. they failed him, called in by the Chief and was told to resign instead.
So yeah, in EK you can fail a stand in or sim support, they are graded. |
Originally Posted by desertcamel
(Post 10144559)
i stand corrected, support are not technically graded. But can be reported if incompetence were reflected during the sim. I remember OGS are still submitted for the Support pilot.
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