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Airbus Working With EK on New Order for Flagship A380
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Poor old Glofish:}:}
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Come on blowee, got my popcorn waiting!
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Putting aside any childish airbus vs Boeing arguments, what evidence is there to suggest that any airline facing so much competition could make money when they cannot fill the airplane?
When EK was the only kid in town and monopolised the hub and spoke system it was a great idea to take so many 380s. But you have to wonder whether they can make it work in the future if the profits have dropped so much in spite of the fantastically low overheads they enjoy. The 380 is magic on transatlantic routes between slot limited airports where it can easily be filled, but even BA and AF haven’t committed to too many orders yet. Maybe the ME3 first class is guaranteed to pay for the rest of the cabin, unlike the rest of the world where Airlines are dropping First and concentrating on Business and Premium Economy. |
What they should really look into is some sort of upgrade program to the current fleet.
If they could cut 10-15% out of the operating costs at a not too great effort (probably a tough proposition but not impossible IMHO) it could really make the 380 an interesting proposition. But I don't think there is room for many more airframes, either at EK or even worldwide. |
Surely you all recognise spin, from all sides, by now ..
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Funny Stuff!!!!
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"The new improved A380: now your airline can have one and lose a little less money!"
Inspiring stuff. |
Oh goody, I didn’t want a pay-rise or any profit share this year anyway.
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The Ponzi Scheme EK is maintaining with their aircraft purchases must go on.
More Blunderbusses means more money from investors to be collected. Halas |
This is pure speculation but could it be that as part of the deal for more 380's that EK is also getting a very favorable price on 350's and that's what driving the deal?
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The important thing is not to buy Boeings
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I can't see EK getting more A380's, but I will eat my hat if they do.
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Originally Posted by Seaman Staynes
(Post 9949053)
Joker 11 - I hope you've got some ketchup to make your hat taste better!
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Joker 11, start wondering which hat it will be ....
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Sorry boys, but it appears glofish won't be the one eating anything...tell us, which do you feel more of: bewilderment or humiliation?
The press release was printed, the media invited, the first dignitaries began filing into the room. Such was the scene on the first day of the Dubai Air Show, when Airbus SE had planned to unveil a keenly awaited lifeline for its A380 super jumbos from the aircraft’s biggest fan: Emirates. Instead: nothing. In fact, worse than nothing. An initial delay, not unusual at these major signing ceremonies, gave way to confusion. Bewilderment turned to humiliation when a model aircraft was carried into the briefing room and the gray cloth covering it slipped off -- revealing the Boeing Co. logo on its tail. Out of nowhere, the U.S. planemaker suddenly conquered Room 6 on the upper level of the main exhibition hall, with its representatives taking the stage. Airbus officials who dominated the room on arrival quietly slipped out during the press conference as their rival landed a stinging blow: Emirates committed to buying $15.1 billion of Boeing’s 787-10 Dreamliners. That was similar to the order value that Airbus had planned. "quietly slipped out during the press conference" like certain posters quietly slipped out of this thread...lol |
I wonder how much influence the Trumpster’s America first policy had on the order? The press release talks continuously about US jobs and economics.
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May as well close this thread. The verdict is in and Boeing won.
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didn't the "buyback" deal re the 380 become reality?
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Still another day today...let's wait and see
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ing-a380-jumbo
Sheds some light on why there is no deal announced just yet. |
The Air Show isn't over till the fat lady sings.
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Originally Posted by Buckshot
(Post 9956584)
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430 aircraft (A320 and A321) ordered today at Dubaï Air Show, in a single contract.
To be allocated to Frontier Airlines (US) JetSMART (Chile) Volaris (Mexico) and Wizz Air (Hungary) Who cares about a little A380 order from a Gulf company ? http://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press...ily-order.html |
777x's and 787s! Reminds me of the mixed fleet 340/330 days. Life on the Boeing is going to be Hellish!
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Flydubai order for 225 737’s seems crazy.
Meanwhile, Boeing on Wednesday announced an order from Gulf airline flydubai for 225 medium-haul 737 MAX aircraft with a list price of $27bn, hailing it as the "largest-ever single-aisle jet order" from a Middle East carrier. Copied from BBC news! |
Originally Posted by motley flight crue
.....hailing it as the "largest-ever single-aisle jet order" from a Middle East carrier.....
Copied from BBC news! |
777x's and 787s! Reminds me of the mixed fleet 340/330 days. Life on the Boeing is going to be Hellish! |
The thread was about EK and the A380. So lets leave the order of 320ies and the 77/78 MFF behind for a moment and read the AW&ST of today. The last sentence:
Dubai Airshow will be remembered as the week that precipitated a tough decision for the A380: A merciful death with considerable up-front losses or a lingering death with greater losses spaced out over a much longer period of time. It's in the open what many have said for some time. Now Timmy is playing hardball to shove all the damage down Airbus' throat, i guess. |
What else could you have been expecting from AW&ST, a magazine which has always been heralding US industry and nothing else ?
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Originally Posted by WakeTurb_69
(Post 9957586)
777x's and 787s! Reminds me of the mixed fleet 340/330 days. Life on the Boeing is going to be Hellish!
777x to replace bulk of the 380 fleet in the distance future with no airbus order in sight for now. |
Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding
(Post 9959513)
777x to replace bulk of the 380 fleet in the distance future with no airbus order in sight for now. J |
Humble SLF here who like most people who are passengers actually really like your A380 - (in fact with you today pm ex Man) . I am lucky to fly upstairs and have to say that it is one of my favourite aeroplanes, and I like your Bar area as compared with other 380,s I have flown on with other carriers. The 777 like 787 is another ali tube same as 330 / 350 so not really that different. I will be sad when the 380 goes as it will mean the accountants have won another round in the race to the bottom.
Regards Mr Mac |
Originally Posted by Mr Mac
(Post 9959579)
Humble SLF here who like most people who are passengers actually really like your A380 - (in fact with you today pm ex Man) . I am lucky to fly upstairs and have to say that it is one of my favourite aeroplanes, and I like your Bar area as compared with other 380,s I have flown on with other carriers. The 777 like 787 is another ali tube same as 330 / 350 so not really that different. I will be sad when the 380 goes as it will mean the accountants have won another round in the race to the bottom.
Regards Mr Mac |
As reported in Flight International 19 September, Teal Group’s Richard Aboulafia had this to say about the A380:
..he described it as “born to die”. The final delivery will take place by 2020 “with unpleasant losses all around”. “Launched with a hideous mix of hubris, shoddy market analysis, nationalism and simple wishful thinking, the A380 was destined for a short, painful life”. “This has been a learning experience, albeit one for people who should have known better from the start. When launching a new jet, it’s important to survey the market trends, regulatory changes, likely technological developments, and customer preferences. None of that was done here”. Oh, and it sure is an ugly brute too. |
Well as nice as the 380 is upstairs.... if the a/c will result in heavy losses then I don't care how nice it is. The bean counters are right, twin engine a/c with fewer seats are more economical and at the end of the day that's how airlines stay in business.
I hope FZ takes over some of the short-mid haul routes. There are a few that aren't very well suited to the 777 :confused: |
Some route done by FZ some by 787. Problem between now and the move to DWC @2025+ is peak arrival plus pax numbers. Phase in of 779 might see some of the lighter 380 routes . Maybe the fat lady is warming up her voice!
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I believe ek is adding 98 pax in y on the new a380 ?
Anyone can confirm this ? |
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