EK Rosters are out
Let the flames ignite!
Top bid in vacation month.... 10 days leave, 50 hours of flying (got only 1 trip I wanted), plus 4 turnarounds and PPC RTGS and Handling sim. Great use of top bid... |
Pretty standard these days to not get any bids if you've got leave. System gets as much mileage out of you in the days it can.
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Aeropix, no disrespect your way but unless you joined here within the last 3 months, pylet said it pretty much as is.
I would say 50 hrs is pretty low for only 10 days of leave and unless this was forced leave, you didn't know you were top bid in June for the past year? |
Lovely, second top bid, two crap layovers and six all night turnarounds.
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Another great roster. Very pleased.
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Originally Posted by Payscale
(Post 9775340)
Another great roster. Very pleased.
When I get a good roster, I'm just quietly smug. I don't feel the need to brag online about such a thing. |
Do you think EK monthly rosters deserve their own forum? Or possibly their own website?
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Originally Posted by Payscale
(Post 9775340)
Another great roster. Very pleased.
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Troll or not, he cannot brag, but everyone else is ok to complain?
A well thought out post Luvly. YYZ |
YYZ, nooooo these forums are just for moaning and bitching....didnt you read the T&C's when you signed up ? ;)
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Originally Posted by YYZ
(Post 9775620)
Troll or not, he cannot brag, but everyone else is ok to complain?
A well thought out post Luvly. YYZ I find it distasteful when people brag about their luck to those less fortunate. DS called it Troll. I'm inclined to agree. |
I don't think YYZ learned to read, he's from ooop north.
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It's not rocket science. Work out in advance where your top bid months are and then decide whether you want the leave in those months. It may not always work but at least you can have some control in the matter. Same for RTGS. Unless you're a complete dumb whit, you've probably already figured it's every 6 months. It's also 4 consecutive days now with no credit which will impact on bid satisfaction. We have a rotating 5 month bid system. Some years it works in your favour, some it doesn't. Accept it. Some individuals also need to re read the roster guidelines about requests and preferences. They might then stop complaining about only getting one of their choices in lower bid months!
As for Payscale, hardly a troll, more likely on the 380. Unless you're a trainer, the two fleets generate 2 very different roster lifestyles. 14-15 days off most months are the norm on the whale. 8-11 for the triple. Harry To add, from a 'strategy' perspective, it's probably better to bid for leave in a specific calendar month rather than straddle two. At least this way you shouldn't screwed in two months working harder than normal without productivity pay. Just a thought! And I agree with Don, wine does help! |
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Top bid, nothing I bid for but got given six days off in a row, which is nice but PPC brought one month forward out of reserve. 74hrs flying. |
Bid for Khaboom 3 days after my leave in bottom bid to extend my leave.
Didn't get it!?!? halas |
Troll is a matter of opinion. Who cares. Prune can also be used to say something positive. Focusing on the negatives will just get you an ulcer.
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for once, Harry is spot on, however the bidding is still 1 big lottery and it feels like there really are hidden rules in the system to scrxw you around. I never ever witnissed that in the old system. so job well done...
huge difference in lifestyle between the 2 fleets. I got another roster with 8 days off, max 2 in a row plus recurrent, 80plus hours. bid for 3 days off, got 2 exactly before the dates i wanted them :ugh: payscale, either you are on the whale, else i suggest you google 'stockholm syndrome' to get a refresh. There is nothing positive on the Boeing except we seem to be getting some of the nicer trips back. On the positive side, I keep myself motivated with the nice pay increase....(sarcasm intended). |
I'm a whaler....but I do t care much for the prune mall security guards that attack anyone who is not anti everything EK. I do my job and go home to the family. What else is important?
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Too right Payscale. Anything these lot don't like you're immediately management or a troll. I've had this nonsense thrown my way for years now and I'm just a simple line pilot:hmm:
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Originally Posted by White Knight
(Post 9777116)
Too right Payscale. Anything these lot don't like you're immediately management or a troll. I've had this nonsense thrown my way for years now and I'm just a simple line pilot:hmm:
Bottom line .. EK is far from the best, but even farther from the worst. Me, I do my job, and go home to enjoy my family time. This job works out extremely well for me, and I'm happy I came here. The tax free income, schools, housing, and medical care is what keeps me here. My kids are happy, and therefore my wife and I are as well. |
hahahah! Now why would anyone EVER think White Knight a troll?!
Of course everyone knows you're a line pilot. But that only makes it worse...at least the management trolls are just following orders. |
Wrong target Limit. The muppets running Flight Ops/NCC are the ones screwing up your roster etc with stupid and vindictive rules.
Quality of Life in EK has always been fleet dependent. Check past posts to see for your self. The 330/340 had a crap time of it while the 777 fleet was the place to be. Now the 777 is having a crap time while the 380 has an alright time. It will change again, it always does. So WK stating how it is for him is not trolling, nor is it any different to what 777 fellas were saying a few years ago. |
Tax free salary! Haha that made me laugh. Thanks A6-echo. Guess you haven't had to renew your car insurance recently to the new highly inflated 'government minimum'.
There is plenty of tax here which is unwritten and even the written one of the incoming Vat too. Is it a coincidence that the take home pay is less than other normal carriers before tax pay. But yeah tax free salary is great..... |
Difference Don, is the 777 chaps are the majority of the pilots here. Thus a majority of the pilots have little or no roster satisfaction as a general rule. In my time here, I can't remember when or if the 'bus pilots were ever a majority. Really doesn't matter though, there will be no improvement in the3 future for the majority of the pilots, with regards to roster satisfaction. Fact of life here.
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Interesting logic panther. So the opinions of the crews of 95 aircraft mean nothing?
I agree roster satisfaction for all pilots here is ****e. The 777 fellas are doing the harder yards. The true target is not WK, but rather the Gumbies and muppets in the office. |
I bid like you should in preferences, for days off block, as recommended. Got 5 in a row, shame it was a week early and basically sweet FA use. Anyhow, better than it was a few months back.
My hours are also way down, maybe more than ULR to the US chopped. I did get 2 decent ULRs, one nice indian layover and a couple of easy turns up the Gulf. Strange 2nd bottom bid.. SyB :zzz: |
Wow...so its ok to s#it on another group because you are in the majority? I always wondered why some 777 guys thought they were so special, thanks for clearing that up Panther. I naively spent 8 years on the 330/340 thinking i was just an EK pilot like everyone else wearing the same uniform. I never realized i was a "minoirity." I've got a lot of buddies on the 777, and I can empathize with their frustration but for guys with your attitude, karma is a bitch, so enjoy India.
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Panther, not something I think is particularly helpful or fair, we are all colleagues at the end of the day.
FWIW on the 777 I've seen a reduction in my hours consistently over the past 5 months now, perhaps the message is slowly filtering through but I suspect it's more likely that we are in survival/crisis mode, also the introduction of layovers in India has made the experience of flying east at 2am far less fatiguing and a little less soul destroying. As for special individuals, well they exists across the fleets but do seem to confine themselves a little more these days to line flying rather than encouraging "techniques" |
Ladies, relax. What I was trying to say was this was the first time in my history here that the majority of pilots are dissatisfied with their lot. Not pitching one group against another. But when the majority is unhappy this has ramifications throughout flight ops from retention to doing nothing but the minimum. Every airline in existence has dissatisfied pilots, but not usually the majority. This has a trickle down affect on the entire operation.
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As for special individuals, well they exists across the fleets but do seem to confine themselves a little more these days to line flying rather than encouraging "techniques" |
Originally Posted by MosEisley
(Post 9778404)
Wow...so its ok to s#it on another group because you are in the majority? I always wondered why some 777 guys thought they were so special, thanks for clearing that up Panther. I naively spent 8 years on the 330/340 thinking i was just an EK pilot like everyone else wearing the same uniform. I never realized i was a "minoirity." I've got a lot of buddies on the 777, and I can empathize with their frustration but for guys with your attitude, karma is a bitch, so enjoy India.
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Did the 330 guys do 95 hours every month? Mixture of ULR and night turns?
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Yes the ones who were MFF A330/340. You're forgetting the A340-500 did most of the ULRs when it arrived; JFK, MEL, SYD
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A lot of us were hitting 900hrs back in 2005/6 on the 330/343/345 rosters.
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In 2005 the bus MFF crews were given a company excel program to monitor hours as all were doing 900 factored hours per year.
Big rosters have been around for a long time. History here proves the good fleet today is the ****e one tomorrow. Can't see that stopping. |
Originally Posted by donpizmeov
(Post 9778864)
History here proves the good fleet today is the ****e one tomorrow. Can't see that stopping.
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In 2005 the bus MFF crews were given a company excel program to monitor hours as all were doing 900 factored hours per year A part from that i agree that it has always been a lottery with fleets and rosters. But bragging about good rosters on here while knowingly being on the lucky fleet is quite new ..... Pretending to be the good guy to promote some 'good news' on here, to balance and counter the whining lot, is somewhat cheap. |
Newbies thinking they are so hard done by! What a laugh.
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Gloie we were bouncing off the limit back then. Check past posts.
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As is the case here for so many posters on Prune, it's all about the following 3 things...
Me Myself. and I Those who have not been here more than a decade have no idea about how the Airbus guys suffered in the 2000 - 2010 period before the A380 arrived. The mixed Airbus Fleet was short, medium, long and ultra long haul which meant that the Bus drivers were extremely well utilised and equally exhausted. We understand your pain 777 drivers and you need not waste time here comparing as you really should be sleeping if it's anything as bad as it is being made out to be, which the older Bus drivers completely appreciate. The A380 is slowly getting more of the 777 routes or flights so take it easy as we don't want you to feel you have to keep coming here to tell us. You don't like it, chose your 2nd option and I don't mean dialling 2. J |
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