B.G., you forgot arrogance, hubris, and incompetence.

ATC?????
Please explain.......

My response to that would be that things are no longer "working around here". In pretty much every department. After many years in this company, I'm afraid to say that this outfit is in complete meltdown.

At a guess the T is for THE, the A is the first name of a noble leader and the C is for whatever you think it should stand for

A nobleman starting with a "C"?? Must be a Count!!!

JA= J. Alsfrd
Turned in his notice last week some time, dont know why but he is on his way out.

Always thought TOGA was a decent guy.

Believe he's been fired at least once in his time with the company, which in this part of the world makes him ok.

Better than TCAS for sure!!

The Rats are leaving the sinking ship!

Talparc - A bit harsh with regard to JA.

Maybe, like many of us, one or both of his buckets are full and he is ready for something / somewhere else!

He seemed a nice enough fellow to me, but unless there was some backroom support we minions would never be let in on, saw very little effectiveness. Rosters, leave, change of accommodations, etc....no change. No "Rules of Engagement" with regard to scheduling/rostering were ever published as his goal on arrival was. Again, we aren't knowledgeable to what he may have prevented in the long run. Good luck to him and the relief of pressure of leaving.

I would agree. JA was reasonably fair where it counted. His hands were tied from the beginning. Those issues such as rosters, leave, QOL, were not really in the control of FLT OPS from the beginning and I know that there really wasn't much he could do.

Typical of the outfit.

They can try that approach but I would expect that to expedite the outflow and reduce the intake of "operational" staff.

They know they have to tread carefully but with every move they make they just keep helping with increasing the resignations while showing any new comers that coming to the show now is like going to the bar at closing time.

Of all the sobriquets bestowed upon management types, AtC would have to be the most amusing, most succinct and without doubt the most fitting and deserved. Best new title of the decade.

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JA, aka TOGA, never stood up for his people, never stood up to his boss TCAS and never told the owners what they needed to hear. He will live with that legacy, but I guess he has financial gain and several years of cushy hours and other perks to compensate him.
He was weak and even the locals saw through that, overlooking him for his long aspired tilt at the top job. Reap what you sow.
I'm sure those with kind words here have fair reason, but plenty of us have good reason to be happy to see the door slam on his arse on the way out.
Good riddance. Although I know what follows will be no better!

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Filling deep pockets and other than managing an email inbox, zero to very limited action. They all call themselves 'captains' but none of them have any idea what we endure every month...
bring on the next one. Nothing will change anyway.

He tried, got smacked down saw the writing on the wall. All managers at EK join being told they will be able to make a difference but are then just given accountability without any authority to make changes. Every now and then someone says what they think and they swiftly disappear from the fray. In training there were the culls of a few years ago, it also happened in recruitment. You can say anything you want as long as you agree with the boss; that is why we are looking for paddles!

I think it's beyond the paddles stage.
Now it's on to the "lets hope it's a padded iceberg!" stage.

HD calls it too....

Got that email. Wish people would just say what's really on their mind. "Feel the wind and rain on my face"???? I wonder what he really wanted to say.

He's looking forward to some quality links golf :ok: