EK European Recruitment Roadshow
 

Fellow aviators,

Does anyone know if the roadshows are going as badly as is rumored? I've heard that hardly anyone is attending and they've had no applications.

Howay the lads

Alan

They've stopped coming to Hong Kong since the gasps and laughs when the package was displayed on the projection screen

Can't say, but I hope if the turnout is poor it is just one more "data point" for an increase in our package!

Why? They already own you...

Not me, sir, I am in my notice period....

But for those who remain, it would be nice to see!

Loving the '15 cities in 30 days' recruitment ad right in the middle of this thread😂

Recruitment
 

Fresh news from today, a couple of guys I know, that didn't pass the DEC screening last may ( according to me due to the incompetence of the assessors), have been called today to reapply and invited to go to the roadshow to meet the "new" recruitment team 😂😂

https://lovindublin.com/dublin/emira...-new-employees

Thought I'd show you what the Irish on line media have been fed.

thanks Consol, interesting comments below the article, mostly it would seem from Kim Kardashian type wannabes all wanting a bit of sun.
The reality is the secret is out about EK, I was asked last time I was in DUB by a Cityjet F/O about the state of play, he got an honest answer and decided that he's avoiding EK and trying Qatar.

You see Monarch Man, Henry was right, it is your fault that nobdy wants to work here! You've got to stop spreading fake news that all is not well.

Going by all the selfies (group one seen taken near sandwich bar on the 7th floor recently, good times!) and amount of hair gel now sold at the training college I think Monach is right.
It doesn't seem that long ago EK had a hold file of applicants that had passed the interview and we're waiting for a job. Awesome work by fleet to change things enough to reverse that.
Rumour has it new ideas are being entertained to attract new joiners. It would seem the impact of these new ideas on those already here need not be considered. They just don't get it do they?

Thought Bubble: Great retention equals a happy workforce. A happy workforce reflects a desirable employer. A desireable employer means many applicants (think how competitive it was to get into EK a decade or more ago). There are many very simple and also cost neutral ways to fix retention-although all require Leadership not management-and a happy and motivated workforce would- amazingly- mean significantly greater profits for the company. Win-Win. Unfortunately as I don't have an MBA you can take this as my unqualified opinion only, that may bear no relation to any actual outcome.

Considering that 60 TRIs on the 380 have been deactivated for probably the whole next financial year maybe means that recruitment is not doing so well......

.... and parked right away!

Awesome management performance, isn't it?

How many 380 are supposed to be delivered next FY?

Went to one of the ones in Dublin, didn't have too much interest in applying but it was only over the road and mildly hoped there might be some decent refreshments.

There was 5 of us at the start and another handful arrived throughout the presentation, finished with about 9 or 10. Fairly sparse considering there were seats for 40+

Breakdown of the guys was myself and 1 other from FR, a couple from cityjet and the rest were all Stobart.

Suspect the insistence that they only do an average of 85hrs per month to a max of 900 per year from the 'pilot representative' was innacurate at best

They were probably the truck drivers as well! 😳😊

Stobart - truckers unite
 

Yes Stobart Truckers do come over but beware - the hours as previously limited on your tachographs won't even come close to what EK will want out of you, each day, week, month and year!

Meanwhile, I quite fancy the two weeks on/off roster Stobart are advertising on the ATR, Isle of Man base..........

Joining EK with frozen ATPL
 

Hi everyone,

I have heard some rumours that EK is not accepting frozen ATPL, does anyone know if that is true. I really hope anyone can clarify this matter to me.

I'm currently flying 737 NG and have 2000+ hours but still frozen ATPL due to the company I'm working for do not unfreeze our ATPL until our CU:ugh:

All help will be very much appreciated.


Thanks:)

You guys are keen to ensure that nobody considers employment with Emirates. Let me assure you that there are many thousands of experienced Pilots out there, like myself,who have looked carefully at Emirates and found the following unsatisfactory:

1. Salary/ Cost of living ratio (not particularly attractive compared to European Airlines)
2. Generally declining package
3. Unacceptable accommodation
4. Leave that is calculated fraudulently i.e. removing days off to give leave
5. Fraudulent calculation of flight hours
6. Generally poor safety practices with regard to fatigue and declining experience levels
7. Clearly poor labour relations

Polax,

You've done your homework and are correct on all counts. I can attest to that and you've summed it up nicely.

What they sell you is lies. But people still come, so either things are worse elsewhere or guys believe the bs.

Toolow

Does anybody know how the roadshows did?
In europe tour should have finished

I think about as well as Trump's healthcare plan....... :ugh::ugh:

1. Sending home around 2500-3000 euro a month. I'm married but no children
2. Yes but havent seen it decline over the last 2 years
3. 3 bedroom apartment with georgous view. Honestly, something I could nevver afford and perfect for newlyweds.
4. Have been getting 30-40 days each year and most of my preferences (I do not need peak so I dont bid for it)
5. Yes but have not been maxed out yet since joining (850 ish)
6. I'm 28 years old and yes after night turns im tired but not more tired than my previous experience in shorthaul
7. Welcome to the big leagues

Great summary of working conditions in the ME at present....

Had heard the recent Central European road show had 8 attendees and of those 8 only two were even qualified to apply... of those two, one of them just went to visit someone he knew on the recruitment team. So, only 1 qualified... and only 8 in attendance.

When will EK learn... RE-ASSESS, RE-ACTION, RE-MANAGE. They drill that into their crews quite a bit but simply don't follow it when it comes to having to keep up with the times of higher demand for pilots worldwide.

K

Thanks for the laugh :)

Hello guys,

I went to one of the roadshows in London, the 2 ladies were very nice but we were only 5 pilots there. I was very surprised!I expected 100 people at least! It's Europes biggest city! 2 Busdrivers, 1 TP guy and the last 2 I am not sure of their rides. They told us bus drivers that we are harder to recruit and will 100% get the 380.
Sounded good to me but according to this forum its a lie? Can anybody in recruitment confirm? Regarding the Atpl, when you are offered a position with Emirates you will need to acquire full ATPL before joining. Either asking your employer or paying it yourself! Its only a sim check! ( You will need at least 270 PIC on any aircraft to be eligible for ATPL, EASA rules)
You are allowed to apply with 1800 hours on Jet but will need to have 2000 before joining. So they are not flexible with the requirements!
Also according to the ladies housing allowance is still offered to the new joiners.

Regards

Mate of mine from Australia joined last year in September. He had around 800hr on the A320...was given B777. That about sums it up

Don't count on this. They will put you where they need you. Guys had their aircraft changed during the first week of induction.

Right now they desperately need people on the 777. A380 deliveries are being delayed right now because the aircraft is losing too much money and they were fat on crews there to begin with.

You won't join on the 380, regardless of experience. Delayed deliveries and 60 trainers stood down each month combined with a shortage of 777 pilots means new recruits will go onto the Boeing.
If they're using the 380 as a carrot then changing you onto a 777 after moving to Dubai it's disgusting behaviour.
Alan

Thanks for the info guys, and yep its disgusting behavior! They are not going to recruit me if you can not trust what they are saying!

And in the nicest way, it took you until now to work this out? SOP at EK. Smoke and mirrors.

All low experienced FOs will join on the 777. If you have the required hours for the 380 I would be surprised if you were not put on it, as they can not find anyone with the requirements. 737 pilots were put on 380 courses recently. 6 380s are delayed this year, same deliveries are planed next year, and 6 extra in the following year.

Oh how things have changed....
A few years back some people were complaining because they were offered a 777 FO position but then switched last minute to the A330. I bet those guys must be so thankful now.
I almost feel sorry for the people on those recruitment trips - must be so, so embarrassing for them but how on earth can you expect people to show up if nobody trusts what you are offering?
Henry blames PPrune of course. As if all the pilots resigning from EK are doing so because they read PPrune and not because of what they're going through in their daily lives.

People are still going to the 380 .
I imagine if you have 1500 in a bus you are set .
Am not a fan of EK but truth is truth

Guys all my hours are on the bus, I still do not have 2000 but I am getting there, can you confirm that if you join with 2000 on the A321 the you should get the 380? What is the requirement exactly for the 380? I would like to fly the 777 as well but not in Emirates! You guys have scared the **** out of me haha!

Are you going to bet your career on it?

You won't know for sure until your final line check. Manpower planning is in sheer panic mode and they don't give a flying rats ass about you.

Once you're there, you're stuck.

I met a new joiner recently who his starting on the 777. He has just come off the A320, which he's been flying for 4 years. He had command turboprop ATR time and second officer time on the 777, perhaps he wanted to get back on the Boeing. I didn't ask, not wanting to come across as nosey. Either way I have a feeling he's going to regret not going onto the 380.

If deliveries of 380s cease much earlier than planned and airframe retirements start in a few years time as already scheduled a new joiner is going to be FO for a very long time. I can see the newer 300ERs being retained and 777x replacing 380s. 777 will be the fleet to be on in the coming years.