[QUOTE=ruserious;9595012]Yes but we are not in Serbia Toto.

Hey Ruserious just googled the "definition of Toto in Spanish" it put a smile on my face.

The angry Serb is not going to be happy!! more of the same I suppose.

@Enos

This place should be called "PPRuNefI", fI standing for "for Idiots", you being the biggest contributor (my apology to few exceptions).

@ruserious

I am standing behind my statement. Chaos of random rules and no ethics at all is, logically, not a system. Organisational culture is a system of written and then applied rules, values and behaviours. In some cases EK doesn't even have a rule, so the behaviour is random thus there is no system. Lack of something is not something, lack of culture is not culture. Just chaos. I am talking about the fact that EK neglected the creation of organisational culture, which left an empty space for randomness. We can discuss it until tomorrow now but it really has nothing to do with the thread.

Chaos is a well known management technique. Every one is on their toes while three groups enjoy others misery.

There is no shortage of revenue. EK will get $22B-$24B this year as well. Based on estimates entire fleet lease/finance costs only $2.4 Billion. I am sure every other business in Dubai charging less to "make this work", yet management are throwing away good money. It is not on Pilots, Cabin Crew and not even on Passengers.

That "technique" is called stupidity, and it is well known. It's just that it isn't very sustainable, so most of the companies which plan in long terms avoid to use it.

Technique may be stupid but it is in practice, particularly in post 2008 GFC corporate world. I know a major corporation which layoffs few employees every week and reorgs randomly (Director becomes Admin Asst ...) just to improve productivity. No employee is safe.

US carriers prior to 9/11 were spending lavishly, now keeping cash under the mattress.

Even though Emir provided excellent access to finances and unprecedented ASAs for such a long period even when world economy was down, Sir committed two(among several) biggest blunders 1) Buying only large planes 2) Treating core employees badly. Both are irreversible in short term and there is no long term in this business.

Any other airline(including state owned) executive will get on their knees to get that much of cash/debt through owners. But Sir blew it.

Apart the fact that I agree reg. sir's blunders, what do you mean by "there is no long term in this business"?

TCAS has left the company. It seems as if it was a rather swift and quiet departure as well. A fitting end to his tenure.

Wow that was quick. Was this one of Mueller's first requests or a coincidence?

Maybe he knows the **** state he helped get the company into and didnt want to be around when the blame game starts.


J.

Wasn't he supposed to head up a new flight training establishment?

Pardon my ignorance, but who or what is TCAS?

Ex DSVP-FO.

Back to topic. I heard he wants to start a new stand alone low cost long operation out of Dubai independent of the EK product.

Yay, do you have his contact details, I sooo want to go and work for him

EK IS a stand-alone low cost long-haul operator.

Assuming we mean low costs for the company not the pax?

There's one right across from Terminal three that is ready made for EK LLC..... Fly Dubai!!!!!Just take the thing over and bingo.... all the close in destinations are covered with frequency and with connectability to the main op...

I don't believe that cannibalism is the answer to EK's problems.

That's actually not a bad idea.

Certainly, EK is already a low cost long haul operator, if you consider the cost of crew and maintenance. We all know the problem is the ugly overhead. Now just let that dreadful thing die in disgrace and pick up some reasonable numbers and models of existing aircraft, engineers and crew and build it new, right from scratch without all the useless AARs and his Bouncy Castle bootlickers. They can continue all by themselves in a Parkinsoneske EGHQ.

Tataaaaahhhh, there's what His Highness wanted from Christoph!

I don't think they will create a product independent of EK, they may try to offer a product similar to UA's Basic Economy.

This idea is DOA for a sixth freedom carrier which thrives on hauling third world VFR grannies carrying one hundred dollar bill.

How would you enforce BoB on a 14-16hr ULH when most pax don't have much cash or credit cards. Buying food at terminal is not a viable option at a congested hub like DXB, assuming EK flyers are smart enough to buy and catch connection.

This will cause riots and apart from technical, medical diversions there will be food related diversions.

Type first, drink later.....