Actually fatbus, no one mentioned a A vs B. It was only mentioned that there's a delay in taking dugongs in and i personally think this is a good measure. Because i do not agree with you, i think the too many dugongs are effectively taking EK down!

We are deploying too many wrong aircraft to wrong destinations (and i do not exclude the big tractor here). We are missing smaller metal and every sane professional should have realised by now, that the reasonable and profitable number of dugongs has been surpassed by far already.

I can only fathom CM saying to HH asking him if and how he could help him win the war:

"Jawohl Herr Reichsmarschall. Geben Sie mir eine Staffel Spitfire". ;)

(by Spits, you can insert 787 or 350, to mitigate the A vs B allegation .... )

Well said glofish-whether it is a 350 or 787 is irrelevant - for a lot of the routes we fly what is needed is a smaller airframe than those we have now, and a cull of the numbers existing to bring more balance. The price of fuel is on the way up again, and when not used on the correct market then the 380 has to be a bigger cash drain than the 777. That is not rocket science.

Airbus postpones deliveries of 12 A380 planes to Emirates Airline!

Looks like STC won the first round.....

Airbus postpones deliveries of 12 A380 planes to Emirates Airline

Hmm, if only we could get hold of a load of 737-800s quickly. I wonder where we could find some at short notice? It would be ideal if they were at the same airport.

(Warning: this post contains heavy sarcasm)

"In total, Emirates has a further 56 A380s on order: 31 are to be delivered between now and 2019, with another 25 due to arrive in the 2020s to replace older ones nearing retirement."

The future of the A380 | The Economist

The average delivery rate for the next 3 years running was about 10 new A380's per year. Not 30 in the year 2017.

Unlikely given that apparently 380s burn 20% less fuel per seat mile.
There are also some interesting dispatch stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airbus...y_into_service

Sorry shorty, I was being flippant. To be correct it will be 14 rather than 20 next year.

Could they investigate the purchase of the bidding system too?....please!

Don, another valuable input and well qualified post!

Happy New Year to all, especially to the REGULARS here who endeavour to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing BUT the truth, honest!

Jack

I always look for the truth here. I mean, what could possibly be more valuable as a source for real, hard facts than

and internet forum.

about airlines.

in the Middle East.

All three renowned for their honesty, integrity, and transparency. :}

I should have added that I do not give two Shiites about how many A380's or Costa coffee cups EK orders or pretends to order or delays or whatever little game they want to play. Merely that I would be surprised if the same number as announced ever actually materializes. They have their excuses ready, so it's all good.

Well Habibis, the first Rolls Powered 380 has arrived.


Emirates A380 A6-EUM was delivered Finkenwerder – Dubai this evening as EK7380. The aircraft is the first A380 for Emirates with Rolls-Royce Trent 872 engines and is designated an A380-842.. This brings the A380 fleet up to 90 aircraft.

Just so you know :ok: Another one arrives today, I think....

SyB :zzz::zzz:

Halleluja, we are saved!

A happy new year to all of you. :ok:

Could explain the engine issue !!! 872 is a 777 engine..........!!!!!!!!

Lets hope this is not the same minor 972B issue known to QF since 2010, at rated thrust engine needs off-wing mx after every 75 cycles. Go 8% de-rated or service at 75 cycles, win-win.

3rd one delivered yesterday. There seems to be a glut of deliveries before year-end.

"Emirates A380 A6-EUO was delivered Finkenwerder – Dubai this evening as EK7380. The aircraft is the third Emirates A380-842 with Rolls-Royce Trent 872 engines. This brings the A380 fleet up to 92 aircraft." (theeksource)

Does anyone know which routes they're going to be sent on (or will they just be treated the same as the EA A380s)?

Champ

It's called "organic growth"

Most probably P7 via P, then P9, R, M, SA and SB, apron S, T, apron T with an eventual outing to the C stands

All dugong fans please excuse my sarcasm and accept my best wishes for 2017! :}

Normally happens when no one else wants them, or have cancelled their oredrs....:ok:

EK is not being dragged down by the 380.

I beg to differ Fatbus. While the 380 is not the only issue at EK right now, it certainly is one of the major ones. The entire industry has been saying for years now that there is no way anybody can operate 140 of these things profitably, and STC would seem to be the last to figure that out.

Apart from macroeconomic issues such as low oil prices depressing economies and incessant war and violence in the Middle East leading passengers to choose other routes around the globe, the main internal factor that's also dragging this airline to its knees is the astonishingly dysfunctional structure and company culture that has grown over the past decade. EK has one of most cumbersome management structures of any modern company...14 or so levels of manpower when most companies work on about seven.

In brief, here's some bullet points of why this company is in such a state;

1. Levels of management who do nothing but pass on decrees from their direct bosses.
2. Kiss up, kick down culture. No bad news is ever passed up. Only good news. Those below are held accountable for all the things that go wrong, while those that do bugger all claim the credit for all that goes right.
3. Levels of management that work three hours a day. If that.
4. "Compartmentalised" cost centres, where managers are only responsible for their own costs. A $10 saving in their department probably means $1 in their back pocket, but may indirectly cost another department $50. Because of the dysfunctional and multi-layered management structure, no-one picks up that overall inefficiency.
5. Out of control nepotism and cronyism. Rarely does the person who most deserves promotion get it.
6. Thousands of employees in positions they have no qualifications for. See point 5 above.
7. Departments that have grown out of control..more to ensure the head of department's position gets elevated to the next management level than because of a need for more manpower.
8. The operational side of the company has been stretched to and past breaking point for the past 5-10 years, but the support side (if you can call it support), has grown out of all proportion. The company is completely back office and management bloated, probably to the tune of 30%-50% more staff than is needed.
9. Inefficiencies and poor management were ignored while money was flowing in..now that the company is not performing, suddenly questions are being asked. (imagine how much money would have been made if the company was run efficiently for the past decade) Of course running with the "kick down" culture, the ones who do all the hard work will be the ones who suffer first.

This entire dysfunctional structure has been allowed to bloat itself silly by the current heads of the group. Just like they patted themselves on the back for the "marvellous performance of the management team" of the last few years, they also have to take complete responsibility for the current quagmire.

Change management means change the management. It's the only way to save this company.

Who will operate 140?

Flapsd, spot on!