Artlite, I presume you are an FO flying in the USA. From what you have posted, you will regret for leaving your present job. Be it QR/EK/EY/WY. US aviation is booming, stay where you are. If I had an airline pilot job in US, I would never leave US ! No matter what the money is. Always remember that there are many things in life more important than money !

On the other hand, If you are already out flying somewhere, and better money & decent lifestyle QR/EK/EY are equally good. Each one of them have their own advantages and disadvantages. WY 737, you'll be doing a lot of night runs and multiple sectors.

Transition from 737NG to 777 is easy. You would find 777 as a better version of 737 in many aspects but inferior in very few aspects. 777 long haul flying is much relaxed than 4/5 sector 737 flying and comparatively lesser cockpit workload.

True. One of the Pilot is my friend. He is still looking for a job. All he did was sit and watch in jump seat when it happened.

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The roster on the 787 is really good now with 10-15 days off in a row ! No idea about 777.

Well if you dont speak up when some one decides to use an intersection that leaves you less runway then all the other available full runway lenghts your OPT tool calculated was unachievable then Halas.

The above is valid only IF that person was involved in the performance calculation or was briefed about the full length/intersection calculation.

Well, quite a coincidence. Just their bad luck. If It was me, I would be extra conservative in such an airline.

Like the good old adage says....Runway left behind,fuel Left in the truck and altitude above you is of no use.

Maybe a stupid question from an interested outsider:
Why isn´t anyone in this thread even mentioning GF?

Maybe because GF has no vacancies for FO or only accept A320 rated pilots. Just my guess...

You can easily save $5,000 per month if you work for QR... You can save even more if you rent an apartment with someone...I fly for United now but I can tell you honestly that the money in QR was good compared to what I'm earning now( due to income taxes).. I do get more time off though than I ever did in QR.

Luvly Jubbly...it's simple, you sit in my flight deck? You are part of my crew... and I expect and welcome your input. No one is perfect and if you see, or even think you see anything that I or we missed I expect you to speak up! Loud and clear! To infer that by sitting in the flight deck as part of a ULR crew and only "sit and watch" and then let that size of an error happen without speaking up and then say he is innocent is naive and down right foolish! I would encourage you to rethink your statement.

If your not involved in the performance calculation you should not be expected to challenge a crew using an intersection to takeoff. The aircraft is certified to be flown by two pilots, not four.

And you cannot expect them to challenge an intersection lineup based on their 'eavesdropping' on your pre-departure briefing. Tell me, when you give the pre-departure briefing on are you briefing the backseaters? Highly doubt it - unless you like talking with the back of your head.

And how many backseaters have the confidence to challenge what should be menial tasks like accepting an intersection take off? especially towards Captains who refer to the flight deck and the crew as 'his'.

By the way briefing the 'backseaters' is SOP in a lot of companies

Can't remember if it was SOP in mine, but it certainly wasn't done.

Xhamster, worst and laziest airmanship ever

Thanks Motley. But if it's not SOP and the operating Captain doesn't call the other two guys in for a group briefing, would you expect a junior FO to say 'excuse me Captain can you include us in on your briefing please?' Get real.

X, you don't need to be involved in the briefing, just listen and look at the performance. I'm sure the jumpseaters in the Melbourne incident we're thinking to themselves 'damn, why didn't I just look at the performance figures'

Agree and personally I always did, like many others. But I don't think it was (not sure about QR) to have 4 pilots cross-check the performance calculations. It's very easy to Monday morning quarterback on these things and cite words like 'airmanship' and 'laziness', but the reality is that it has happened, more than once and I'm trying to take the point of view of the backseaters - if they were not involved and were not required to be involved by the SOP, then they shouldn't be held accountable. And perhaps they weren't included on the brief by the PIC, so how many guys in this situation, who hasn't calculated the performance figures, would now challenge the crew on their take off figures as they are crossing the runway hold point? In reality, probably not a lot. Anyway, major thread drift. I would like to see this taken to another thread or get back to the original of how it's a financial waste of time for an FO with a family to come to UAE!

What about nowadays is working in the unmentionable airline? I noticed that they open for DEC on the B777 .

What exactly is your question? There are many 777 FOs waiting for an upgrade - I don't know why they would be advertising for DECs.

Might take a bit longer for those FOs. They are currently recruiting DEC on B777 according their web page.