Recruitment > Retention
 

Well that email from our DSVPFO has confirmed that they value recruitment over retention.

It can't only be us that realise it's more practical, more efficient and cheaper to keep current pilots than let them leave and recruit new ones?

What are we missing?

Alan Pardew
Southgate stole my job

That is how it is I fear.

Think about it? Any airline I guess. If you are young, eager, flexible, no big mouth, not sick all the time, strong to do 90+ hours month after month. Untill you have enough. No payrise or anything to keep you. Why should the airline reward an old inflexible,complaining big mouth, allways sick drained pilot?

You as a cost unit payed out to the company.

You leave. New fresh eager, flexible,fit young pilots will do it again.

Your loyalty and knowledge and experience is not what matters in this automated flying world it seems. It is all about money to keep the show going.

New contracts in new bases in EU Loco world. no loyalty or growth pay. A 26 year old Capt will earn the same as a 64 year old Capt. If you are young great, fly to the max untill you have enough. That is 39 years remaining as a 26 year old Capt on the very same type aircraft doing the same destinations everyday 900 hours per year. These young pilots will hit a wall when they are getting 40 or so. Then what? They are grummpy, not flexible, big mouth, sick and want to leave etc etc etc. That is exact what the company wants. New fresh ones lined up.

That is how I see it, sorry

Falck

Email
 

Just proofs the theory i had earlier


for e.g. LH skippers need to quit with 60 from LH, but still have a vaild LIC.


this email opens the door for excatly those pilots for another 5 years in their career. These are those people the company needs urgently as many senior pilots are leaving.


good luck for all the shafted FO as they are now facing a long term contract with EK as FO


in other post was to read about a LH FO looking for EK upgrade opportunities.


LEVEL 2 FO opens the door for these fellows, because u get em only in one way - RAPID COMMAND
otherwise they will never ever leave a company where u have the following


descent roaster
a working bidding system
a union which takes care about full filling the rules
a union that take care about manpower rules so that nobody is shafted
part time
leave when u request it


all this point a only exchangeable for a price


better money and a fast career.


so if a downgraded com believes that he will get the command back not being overtaken by all the LEVEL 2 entries - good luck with that one


our mgmt has just proofed that an EK employee has no value at all. I recommend we start training pilot LIC for 3 floor upward managers, otherwise there will be little big shortage of pilots.


Far all FO now celebrating proudly that they will overtake a lot of senior FO in this company - i promise u, u will be next to be slaughtered, if one of u make just the slightest mistake, consider what just happened in this company and how u have other lives in hands - the guy next to on the right.

This has been going on for a long time in other departments in EK. It was only a matter of time before it came around to the pilot body. Looks like poor old 'enry has taken too many round the head to think straight. For all the new joiners who think this is great, wait to see it happen to you. Total pigs are EK mismanagement. The ship lists another degree....

I think l got half of what WB1900 said.
Can anyone translate?

halas

The only retention they know and are good at is the .... one

Lemons?
 

Was it not Michael O'Leary that said in his book 'I treat my staff like lemons, I squeeze until there's nothing left and then get some more'
Sadly that mode of operation sees him as one of the most successful (economically) aviation CEOs ever.....
The world it is a-changing.

Except of course O'Leary has had to backtrack a significant amount given that his vision also created employees equally disloyal and motivated to move on should there be other opportunities elsewhere...so much so that his operation VERY nearly ground to a halt.
Couple this with pi55ed off staff pi55ing off passengers with provocative an pi55-taking policies, and you have a business falling into decline.
Sound familiar?

when you replace LH not with longhaul, but Lufthansa, it all makes sense.

Chatting with my Purser on board today. She said pursers have been "invited" (on their day off) to attend "focus groups" to discuss how EK can do better in dealing with the rapidly declining customer satisfaction issue.

I said to her to go along and tell them they're missing the friggin point...completely skipping past the problem. Engage with the disenfranchised, threatened, pissed off and worn out staff first...fix that problem because without that being solved, they're completely wasting their time trying to fix the customer satisfaction problem.

As Branson says.."I don't have to worry about looking after my customers...I look after my staff and THEY look after my customers"

While I agree with you, going to such a meeting and trying to enlighten this management, although admirable, is a fruitless task. Sadly.

The reality is the disrespect, the under appreciation and under valuation of the staff comes from the very top. Empathy and understanding are not traits that are taught and those without them don't even know that they don't know.

The 'meetings' will result in new rules and requisite punishments for non adherence.

It would great if I am totally off base, but I see no indications to see it any other way.

It's not rocket science. Like Branson says and does - treat your staff well and they will look after the customers. What do the company expect when the cabin crew are worked like dogs?

If management need to run focus groups with cabin crew to work this out then they don't deserve to be in a management role.

And to have to go in on a rare day off just adds insult to injury, even if it is voluntary. These meetings should be rostered.

Unless CM is chairing the mtg , it's a waste of time.

Please stop perpetuating the myth that Mr Branson came up with this, he has never had an original idea in his life.

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John William Marriott (1900-1985) had some very progressive ideas, Branson is a copier and brilliant self promoter.

Don't waste your time going. Let the brilliant EK managers solve their own issues. After all, it is above the pay grade of everyone who isn't a VP.

Accountant: What if we spend all this money training our staff and they leave ?

CEO: What if we don't and they stay ?

Well said Metro, the cost of everything, but the value of nothing, and in respect of EK there are various layers to hide, massage and generally filter the real reasons for issue happening before they ever reach decision makers with the ability toresolve things.
All that being said, in the middle east along with plenty of other 2nd or 3rd world territories the mantra is far more about shifting blame and maintaining status than it is about fixing problems.

Last sentence sums it up! Everyone said the place would implode one day , seems on the verge. No one cares about the company anymore.

I think you missed the point by talking to her : she was probably feeling dignified that in some way she had been invited, and not a Captain like you, and you were even lowering yourself more by trying to convey something through her channel.
Now if the company has to resort asking their opinion to pursers, where are they going down to ?

Kobus Dune

Whether the management should be asking anyones opinion is open to debate. Personally, the more departments that are involved, throughout the various pay grades, the better. We complain when they don't ask our views, we complain when they do!

Your comment may be perceived by some as pompous and arrogant. You insinuate that, because of position alone, you should be consulted before those lower in rank. Well, with a few exceptions, most of the pursers I fly with have a far greater understanding of the business model and our customer's requirements than those at the pointy end. They deal with it day in, day out, face to face. We don't.

Your show no respect for those leading the cabin yet expect the Company to show you respect? The irony is astounding!

Harry