A decade and a half ago we signed up for 72 hours productivity threshold whilst flying 65. Credit for sim, ground school & vacation. Paid to 30 minutes after chocks on. No limit on days off. 42 days leave EVERY year. DEWA paid in full. ALT to home city. Cheaper staff tickets. Regular pilots meetings.......The list goes on.

A new contract for freighter ops would achieve what?

halas

Halas
Never a truer word spoken!

That's true
 

I have to admit that's true .. Sad really , contracts are also worthless .

But I'd still rather have something official appended to my present contract meaningless or not , rather than an e mail in the form of a Q & A session .

"5 days off" carrot is a rotten carrot. Currently not being honored on the trainers camp.

I think the 5 days could be honoured if they get the numbers. The trainers are just way to over worked at the moment.

Fatbus,

I think that is the whole point. We have understaffed departments, with overworked crews, experiencing continuously deteriorating conditions.

I am sure the business plan for our freighters requested 20% more pilots than AAR has actually decided to allocate to it.
Therefore, the result will be the same, another EK condition that will not be honoured.....:ugh::ugh::ugh:

The G.

I think I'm going to give it a whirl....... if it ends up being as bad as things are on the passenger fleet then I've lost nothing if it does turn out worse then it will be the shove I've needed to get on my way and leave and if it turns out better well......only one way to find out my friends

One thing I think maybe up EK's sleeve here is positioning/deadheading with freighter pilots being dedicated it and if they try to honour 5 days off in a row I think a lot of travelling as pax in the freighter as it doesn't warrant keeping freighter crews laying over in a hotel on min rest to return on an EK pax flight......I think that happens to have someone at outstation on standby for sickness......it will be pax back on freighter immediately

Don't forget that a string of 5 days off will mean 3 days off for the rest of the month.

Why do we as pilots have the need to tell others what to do. Who ever wants to go, let them go. Whoever does not want to go, do not go. We are adults, we should know what is good for our families and ourself. Stop telling everyone what to do.

Damn right Spanish! How dare people express an opinion or try and help others by sharing their informed views and experience!

Anyone would think this was an Aviation Forum!!

I'm just putting feelers out as to what my peers views are.....this choice could have ramifications on the rest of my career ......as we have all invested heavily in our paths thus far.... I will always appreciate every ones feedback and point of view on this subject

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Wizofoz, I never said that you should not help other fellow pilots.
If you want to help people, give them the facts and only facts. Opinions, emotions and choices are personal. Each individual one can make their own choice. Some people like them fat, skinny, white, black, brow, tall, short. We all have different taste and necessities

And expressing them on an open forum is entirely appropriate, and not in any way "Telling people what they should do."

Is "stop telling people what to do"...well.. telling people what to do? At least there is no mention of Forex this time :)

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spanishfly69

"Some people like them fat, skinny, white, black, brown, tall, short"

For clarification, are you referring to women or coffee with that statement?

Harry

Harry, I like the way you think! It is up to you

I think they delayed closing date for expressions of interest until after this months roster release. When guys see the rosters they are getting on the Pax fleet they may just put their name on the list out of desperation for something better.

So, anyone got any news on the trucking business?