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I admire your faith in airline investigations ..... not. Rumour has it that the FD Capt during his exit interview said that his reason for leaving was the fatiguing rosters. |
If this was a GCAA investigation very simple, final report comes out 4 years later with inconclusive root cause. This is based on last few masterpieces produced by GCAA.
Unfortunately this is a Russia led investigation, so things work slightly different. Russia can submit their wish list to UAE. Final report will be based on the response. Or we will have two reports with different conclusions. I am still kicking myself on how GCAA scores so high in ICAO audits, what merit ICAO sees in GCAA no one else sees?? Biggest mystery in modern aviation. |
Originally Posted by Alphaprot
(Post 9318487)
Yep, spot on, the investigation into the Melbourne accident was by all (reliable accounts) rejected three times by the Airline and Regulator until the FATIGUE issue was removed.
Rumour has it that the FD Capt during his exit interview said that his reason for leaving was the fatiguing rosters. |
https://www.rt.com/news/336514-flydubai-pilots-fatigue-crash/
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@glofish
I agree with you 100% (sadly....) Just ****ty business man.... Just ****ty. |
If you think that the final report will be impartial just because the investigation is being conducted by the Russians you don't understand International Politics.
Russia could easily just ask for "favours" from the UAE in return for a less damning report. The UAE aviation sector (especially that of Dubai) is a major part of the economy, it will be seriously damaging to the image of EK and FZ to have a serious critical investigation questioning their practices. Right now Russia is in a bit of a corner politically and could easily use this report as a bargaining chip. |
The UAE needs Russia more than the other way round.
All those flights that link Dubai to Russia are generally bringing in Russians into the UAE who are going on holiday or who live and work in the UAE. It's the UAE economy that benefits the most out of the two. In terms of trade, the value that the UAE brings to Russia is fairly insignificant in relative terms. |
Not to forget that the UAE is one of the major US outposts in the Gulf which probably doesn't help their popularity with the Russians
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Does anybody know if the F/O got pulled out on his standby on Friday, 11 March ? That would have made a significant difference on how well he was rested.
My deep respect goes to the whistleblower who has informed the world about the likely truth before it gets hidden in an eternal "investigation". Nobody can bring them back and this is the only thing we can do for them. Rest in Peace. |
Anyone else notice that all the ASR and CSR have been removed from EFOS? I guess to stop more leaked ASR to the press...
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They can remove what they like. They (FZ) would be pretty stupid to think that some of us don't have copies on our computers.....
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in_freedom - re standby duty on 11th was not called out...
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Spot on what-to-do , I have almost all the ASR's copied for a few years plus plenty of mails and memos that I kept just for that to avoid those smart guys at the top to escape their responsibilities by saying they did not know...
It is too easy to take the money and glory that go with the position and then refuse or deny the responsibilities that goes with it... |
EK removed the briefing timeline sheet used by crews after checkin. This was done immediately after the WSJ article a year or 2 back. Crews were then "and" are now still working longer before the duty with regards to the FTL, 1 hour credit is still given even though checkin is somewhat an earlier requirement than the given 1 hour. Post flight duties often see the crew leaving the aircraft an hour later after chock on time which is logged as time off duty. This might all seem fine but, when already working above maximum FTLs, this additional hour (plus) per duty is never logged as maximum annual duty limitation. When pilots (not all) have been at maximum hours, they have sometimes been put into the sim for supposed "ground" duties and this work is even more tiring and is not considered part of a pilots annual GCAA FTLs.
Not having a rant or otherwise, just saying how it is and 4K pilots would agree that this is the case. Hours spent at work, in a tube at 6k + cabin altitude, over time zones spanning many hours different from home base, with 24hrs rest when day is night and night is day, doesn't mean a crew are well rested. The corporate greed of today's world is driving safety standards down in my opinion. Like the minimum wage stated by political law in some countries, FTL and its limits has become a target for company rostering departments as opposed to a guide for maximum crew duty. J |
What are the regs at Fly Dubai on early pages nights? Based on cap371 or no limits
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My deep respect goes to the whistleblower who has informed the world about the likely truth before it gets hidden in an eternal "investigation". Nobody can bring them back and this is the only thing we can do for them. Rest in Peace. |
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Whoops, looks like someone has let the genie out of the bottle.
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I wish I was a genie. Sleeping in a lantern would be better than the EK 777 CRC
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Originally Posted by jack schidt
(Post 9315040)
Seriously sad if reported as fact. My heartfelt condolences to all crew and passengers..
55 pax and 7 crew onboard, RIP Apparently just left of and before the runway(@100m or so from threshold) is the accident point in supposedly poor weather after a second approach. Crew had been circling for over 2 hours trying to land. A video of the supposed incident from CCTV shows a higher than normal looking rate of descent. No emergency was ever declared. FlyD and Boeing to investigate the causes. I request that everyone respects this accident in this ME forum and does not let this turn into a "I told you so" about the operating ethos. J |
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