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ifly462 10th Mar 2016 06:23

Oman Air
 
Hey guys just wanted your opinion on this company and living in Muscat. The package seems similar to that offered by most airlines in the gulf.

How do they treat expats in Oman?

How many hours can you expect to fly per month?

How many days per week can you expect to spend on layovers at the bottom of the seniority list?

Job security.

Cost of living in oman, rent, international schools, vehicles etc.

Also does anyone have an idea of the interview process?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

Chirpy Pilot 11th Mar 2016 08:44

Are the E-Jets definately leaving this year?

1234 Go 15th Mar 2016 20:57

AVOID IT ...!!!
 
Oman Air is one of the airlines that you need to avoid unless if you wish youR aviation career to be end for good since they treat people very weird and you never know how & when will they fired you with no reason and end up looking for jobs everywhere.

they trusted in there flight instructors which half of them are really dumped
and the other half where not bad actually.

my advice to you is if you got any other option DO NOT consider Oman Air offer. If not then you have the choice to make your decision.

good luck

airborneksa 18th Mar 2016 14:24

Unprofessional Dubai
 
came for the gig in dubai met a medically unfit skipper :rolleyes: who was supposedly to do technical and sim ride with me. No briefing, no technical rather straight to the sim. Simply loaded mct runway and told me do what you know :ugh: i am tired ''buddy'':ugh:. Never experienced this ever. 30 mins it was all over!

Later i asked the the other guy for housing, school allowance and was muttered few words not knowing the actual numbers and the sentence ended but i am not sure as some new changes are expected. :rolleyes: was told you will be selected as we have very high resignations.:uhoh:

Lcb86 19th Mar 2016 01:27

Did he mention if the changes will be for better or for worse? Additional. Anyone flying there that can give some real info?

1234 Go 21st Mar 2016 03:24

Hi airborneksa

Why I'm not surprise with your experience !!:rolleyes:

Oman Air always pretend to act as a professional full service airlines such as those major airlines as " Emirates or Etihad ..etc.." but the reality is they more likely a low cost carrier they're not developed and not even profitable company everything is weird no one knows what's going on ,, they keep talking about
FO upgrade and fleet change and increase salaries , opening up a new destination , fleet expansion but when it's comes to reality nothing is happening among all stuff just mention. Everyone laughed and said "Welcome to Oman Air" !:D

So whatever people said positive about Oman Air you gotta verify it first prior to make any future career decision with them even if you had to fly over and look things by your own eye or try to get in touch with any pilots there who currently still unlucky and flying for them.

Take care buddy and best of luck always :ok:

airborneksa 26th Mar 2016 03:52

How does oman air rostering look like?

1234 Go 26th Mar 2016 19:59

Oman Air roster scheduled & computerize for the entire month you get at least 7 days off 3 days out of them consecutive with couple of standby's pretty much organised & repeatable.

JyotiScindia 28th Mar 2016 14:17

Dear Management,



We write as a group of First Officers currently employed in Oman Air and this letter reflects the thoughts and cocerns of its signees only.



We would like to bring the following points to the attention of the management for consideration and correction:



ROSTER



In the past year, due to crew shortages, the majority of First Officers have been scheduled an average of 85 or more hours per month. In some cases annual leave was denied and/or shortened as well.

There is no “pattern” or Fatigue Management System in place, therefore morning, afternoon and night flights are planned in such a way that they require a massive effort in body clock adjustments, which is a big contributing factor in accumulating fatigue. There is not enough time to readjust or rest between some flight shifts (i.e. morning to night, night to morning) or enough Off Days to recover. This is also reflected in an increased number of sick leave absences.

The latest roster changes increased Duty Times even further.

We would like to point out that whilst our roster is “legal” from a regulatory standpoint, it doesn't necessarily mean it's “healthy” as well.

All of us are starting to feel the onset and consequences of accumulated fatigue.



We therefore ask the management to acknoledge and take serious and expedite action to address this problem. We strongly request for the implementation of a Fatigue Management System and the introduction of additional Off Days to be able to operate SAFELY the proposed roster.

As pilots, we believe SAFETY is everyone's priority, and we feel this has been overlooked and second placed in favour of commercial aspects during the last year.

We understand that as a Company we have to make adjustments to become profitable, but these adjustments should also cater for employees well being. The hiring process of additional workforce is not happening in pace with the increased requirement, resulting in all of us being pushed to the limit.



PERFORMANCE PAY



The new roster scheme has introduced a lot of ground time and/or Augmented Crew for a lot of flights, resulting in a major increase in Duty Times. Apart from the Fatigue considerations expressed above, this also heavily impacts on the Performance Pay of each of us. We are currently payed by block hours, thus this increase in Duty Hours and decrease in Flying Hours translates into “work more, for less”.

We ask the management to take action to correct this situation, eitherreverting to Duty Hour pay or introducing some form of compensation for the extensive Duty Times.

The new upgrade/fleet transfer policies have already had a negative impact on Pilot's motivation, these new changes further affect us in a negative way.

We are afraid this might cause further resignations, which will penalise the Company and us even more.







We are willing to discuss these matters further with the Managent to address these problems, which have become of primary importance to us all.

airborneksa 1st Apr 2016 16:06

Salaries Delayed?
 
Just got to know few days ago as i was in touch with other guys that salary got delayed for the second month and allowances yet not paid.:hmm:

airborneksa 7th Apr 2016 17:08

Been told many resignations because of deteriorating conditions and late salaries as well as allowances.

Luibar 26th Sep 2016 20:42


Been told many resignations because of deteriorating conditions and late salaries as well as allowances.
Is this still the case? If so, it is a shame...

manchi83 16th Jan 2017 18:17

Hey guys,
Could any insider help me with some information?
1. Roster info
2. Payment
3. Family living in Oman
4. Allowance and annual leave
5. Upgrades

Any information you can share is very welcome. Appreciate your time.

Regards,
N.

terroroftheskies 2nd Feb 2017 05:12


Originally Posted by manchi83 (Post 9643130)
Hey guys,
Could any insider help me with some information?
1. Roster info
2. Payment
3. Family living in Oman
4. Allowance and annual leave
5. Upgrades

Any information you can share is very welcome. Appreciate your time.

Regards,
N.

Hey bro, have u done all the assessment to get into the company? Care to shed some light on that? Im doin it this month.

737seeker 6th Feb 2017 08:16

@terroroftheskies

when and how did you apply ? i applied via CTC about 2 months ago but no reply as of yet except a confirmation that my application is submitted. i got about 1000 fo hrs on NG & 4000 hrs total

Iznogood 6th Feb 2017 22:55

I don't know much more about the actual life in Oman Air, however, I do recommend wingjet as agency

pfvspnf 7th Feb 2017 05:41

Wingjet are not good, they are not reliable , do not trust them. There's very little chance to go on the widebodies,

Met an Emb guy a little while ago who has been stuck for a long long time so much so he quit and joined one of the Arab neighbours .

Iznogood 7th Feb 2017 09:48

pfvspnf>too late for me, I am with them now...so far so good

B737NGee 12th Feb 2017 20:50

Hey Buddy,
Did you pay for the wingjet service ?
They contacted me via LinkedIn...

Iznogood 13th Feb 2017 15:16

As far as i know they will charge you 4,000$ (I think the same as the other agencies) once you are hired and you will get your first salary, you can discuss about the paiement they seems very flexible (for the time being). Best of luck!

pfvspnf 14th Feb 2017 09:49

These Indian sweet talkers are at it again , they seemed completely incompetent to me , just another CPL holder sitting in Delhi with a website

J74 18th Feb 2017 20:19

Hey guys, what's happening with Oman Air website?
I was updating my resume..and seems impossible to do anything since last Monday!
What's happening?

Mac1.0 24th Feb 2017 11:00

Avoid if you want command!
 

Originally Posted by 737seeker (Post 9666438)
@terroroftheskies

when and how did you apply ? i applied via CTC about 2 months ago but no reply as of yet except a confirmation that my application is submitted. i got about 1000 fo hrs on NG & 4000 hrs total

If you have those hrs try EK or QR first. They'll give an earlier chance at command.
I hear from a good friend there, you must transfer to wide body fleet first (based on your seniority...thats Not honoured) then return to narrow body for command. Expect minimum of 5+yrs. My friend was promised 2yrs to command by the recruitment manager during his interview to join. My friend decided to leave and is joining QR. Also he mentioned progression by seniority is not followed and promotion/recruitment manager chooses whoever he/she wants to promote or transfer to other fleets regardless of seniority.
But if your not looking at a fair chance for jet command and want to fly your pants off at 90+ hours inclusive of 7-8 nights a month, then you'll love it there!

FalseGS 25th Feb 2017 05:25

Irrespective of your TT at the time of joining, you will be waiting a minimum of 6-7 years for a chance to upgrade.
Effo rosters just released (late again) and there are some guys flying 100+ hours with max 8-9 days off. Combine that with a combination of day and night flying and we are talking some serious fatigue issues.
The seniority list is disregarded and ad hoc fleet transfer decisions are a common feature of this airline. There is a severe shortage of effoes and two captains flying together is a common occurrence now. As it stands now, there is an exodus of people and they are unable to plug the hole.
Also, expect a three year bond whether type rated or not. This is to prevent people from leaving en masse.

On the plus side Oman is a wonderful place to live if you are an outdoorsy person. Cost of living is reasonable and considering the insane amount of overtime you will be doing the take home pay is quite impressive. The locals are pleasant to deal with and you are more or less welcomed here. Management does have an open door policy and are quite a reasonable bunch.

They are phasing out DEC recruitment (as of now) and are aiming to meet their left seat requirements through internal upgrades. Nevertheless you are looking at a long wait. Also, the failure rate is quite high.

Bottom line is if you need a job this is THE place to be. If you are looking for career progression please be aware of the hidden reality here.
And be prepared to work HARD.

bringbackthe80s 15th Nov 2017 08:28

I see they are recruiting DEC at the moment?

which fleet?

captcak 28th Nov 2017 10:16

Their company is ok only if it was without HR department since that is the most incompetent department in the entire company or the other way to put it - Oman Air held hostage by their own HR department. I applied and got a call from someone called jalood, who asked me for documents, after a week the same question again and then again and again and again. Finally realized they are just wasting time for the flightops. Spoke to a recruitment capt who was more sensible, understanding and confirmed the entire HR needs a reset including termination of jalood or this company will be always a hostage, but most importantly he confirmed no DEC and forget upgrades as lot of omani cadets coming in.

Luggage 2nd Feb 2018 21:14

Oman Air
 
Has Jalood been fired and HR sorted out yet? Heard they looking again for those who are interested on the ERJ175.

EH574 26th Feb 2018 08:46

hi all, can someone share some info regarding the current situation at Omanair? They seem to be recruiting DECs on the 737. It's very hard to get first hand infos regarding pay, roster, lifestyle, fleet transfers, etc. , so any feedback will be very appreciated!
Thx

airborneksa 26th Feb 2018 08:53

Don't think they will clean up HR anytime soon. Algae stick for long! From assessment to joining expect 6-8 months process

FalseGS 26th Feb 2018 20:23

Yes, HR is a mess. A zoo. The very definition of incompetence has its sources in the deep recesses of the rank and file that infest that department.

Pay- Good. Very good. 12-14k per month depending on your flying hours. The one caveat is education. It is minimal. Also, they only pay 75% of the fees. So no matter what the tuition, you will be dipping into your pocket.
Roster- Bad. Very bad. Be prepared to work hard. Very hard. Max 8 days off month. Night flights that return back to base at 1pm. You WILL be tired.
Lifestyle- Roster and lifestyle go hand in hand. Oman is beautiful. If you get the time off, lots to do here. People are friendly.
Fleet transfers- DO NOT. I repeat. DO NOT fall for whatever they will tell you to lure you in. Company requirement is 2 years for fleet transfer. The reality is that the locals get priority. You are looking at 10-12 years before you get a shot at a fleet transfer. And that is leaning towards the optimist in me.

You come here for the job, not your career. You come here with zero aspirations. You join as a DEC 737. Expect to leave as DEC 737. Anything else is a bonus.
The money is good. The place is good. People are nice. Management is open minded (to a certain extent). But again, they will extract all they can from you.

Good luck

Ramones 27th Feb 2018 15:49


Originally Posted by FalseGS (Post 10066040)
Yes, HR is a mess. A zoo. The very definition of incompetence has its sources in the deep recesses of the rank and file that infest that department.

Pay- Good. Very good. 12-14k per month depending on your flying hours. The one caveat is education. It is minimal. Also, they only pay 75% of the fees. So no matter what the tuition, you will be dipping into your pocket.
Roster- Bad. Very bad. Be prepared to work hard. Very hard. Max 8 days off month. Night flights that return back to base at 1pm. You WILL be tired.
Lifestyle- Roster and lifestyle go hand in hand. Oman is beautiful. If you get the time off, lots to do here. People are friendly.
Fleet transfers- DO NOT. I repeat. DO NOT fall for whatever they will tell you to lure you in. Company requirement is 2 years for fleet transfer. The reality is that the locals get priority. You are looking at 10-12 years before you get a shot at a fleet transfer. And that is leaning towards the optimist in me.

You come here for the job, not your career. You come here with zero aspirations. You join as a DEC 737. Expect to leave as DEC 737. Anything else is a bonus.
The money is good. The place is good. People are nice. Management is open minded (to a certain extent). But again, they will extract all they can from you.

Good luck

+1
Everything written above is reality

A330Cap 24th Mar 2018 23:15

Hi guys,just wondering if any one did B737 F/O interview with Oman Air lately,and if you could share some sim profile and interview type questions.
got an interview next month

thank you in advance

captainpluto 25th Mar 2018 07:18

Salary
 
Hi,

Can anyone give the details of salary for a 737 capt. What is asked in the interview. How is the roster like and how many off do we get in a month?

Regards

Keep 24th Jun 2018 03:34

Health Exam Oman Air
 
Hey guys,

I would like to know if there is anyone who could tell me about the 1st class medical exam specifically the exam related to color blind test, I've heard that in Oman Air you pass through Ishihara test (numbers placards with colored small balls). I would like to know what is the limit there in case of difficulty to identify some placards and if there is any secondary test around there.

I'm asking because where I work if you can identify all colors separately it is fine, and these kind of tests you do there only after you have signed up for the job.

Thank you all.

Seamin Stains 5th Jul 2018 07:37

Dont be too quick to sell your soul and jump in!
Look around and see the direction of the wind!!..........
When you see even the Locals are leaving, that should tell you something.
18 Omani and 30 Expat first officers, and 3 Omani and 7 Expat Captains have handed in their resignations,...effective 1st September.

Kulito 19th Nov 2018 15:30

Oman Air
 
Hi.

Does anybody knows what terms and conditions are offering for first officers in Oman Air, salary, houisng, duty hours, school allowance and so on.

Sallytraffic 27th Nov 2018 06:40

Hi,

How are things for 737 DEC's at the moment?

Specifically looking for info on rosters, pay, schooling etc.

Many Thanks


Venom2002 9th Dec 2018 04:37

Oman air
 
Dear gents

I've been with Oman air as direct company for the last 9 years, and truly it's a progressive company, pay is great and when I say great I mean it, Omanis are very approachable and very friendly, the country is open for all ,
:)police are no joke behave your driving,
recently we had monthly Pilot forum with management and things have lighten up for the best, we have a new planning manager was been recruited to overhaul the entire planning roster system.
bulk of the fleet B737 various from dash 9 to max.
10 A330 and 10 787.
A350 on horizon.
total target 70 aircrafts by 2022
command upgrade in full swing
we have a policy of 50/50 for fleet transfer ie between Omanis versus expatriates fair system.
Insurance full coverage
loss of income needs improving
housing remains 1950 US dollars per month
Rental prices for villa 1600-2200 according to your choice and location
Single estimate living cost 1200 US dollar per Month.
family with 2 kids 1700 per month
overall it's one of the best in the Gulf.
overall life style I give it 7 out of 10.

airborneksa 10th Dec 2018 04:19

Dear Propaganda gent, They require more than a planning manager or forum to fix their problems! whoever speaks in these forums is a troublemaker and shown way out. Try any news outlet in oman notice the anti-expat sentiment. The package does not mention when they cancel your leaves or you do mostly night flights as an expat. I won't even bother getting into 50/50 upgrade 'we are too old for this gent'!


Originally Posted by Venom2002 (Post 10331475)
Dear gents

I've been with Oman air as direct company for the last 9 years, and truly it's a progressive company, pay is great and when I say great I mean it, Omanis are very approachable and very friendly, the country is open for all ,
:)police are no joke behave your driving,
recently we had monthly Pilot forum with management and things have lighten up for the best, we have a new planning manager was been recruited to overhaul the entire planning roster system.
bulk of the fleet B737 various from dash 9 to max.
10 A330 and 10 787.
A350 on horizon.
total target 70 aircrafts by 2022
command upgrade in full swing
we have a policy of 50/50 for fleet transfer ie between Omanis versus expatriates fair system.
Insurance full coverage
loss of income needs improving
housing remains 1950 US dollars per month
Rental prices for villa 1600-2200 according to your choice and location
Single estimate living cost 1200 US dollar per Month.
family with 2 kids 1700 per month
overall it's one of the best in the Gulf.
overall life style I give it 7 out of 10.


FalseGS 10th Dec 2018 07:53

Five on one off week after week.
Max 8 days off a month. Seems reasonable at first but the kind of brutal rosters you’ll be flying begs for more time off.
Day night switches with zero regard to fatigue. I can’t even recall the number of times I have turned to my right and had my fatigued FO off in dreamland.
Blatant threats if you use the word fatigue.
According to management, there is no fatigue in Oman Air.
Pretty much all your duties are carried out with minimum rest. And that’s the bare minimum as per global standards.
Regressive leave planning.
12 hour duty days with 5 hour flight pay. The monthly ratio of flight to duty hours is 1:2. You spend a lot of time sitting on the ground on company’s time getting paid nothing.
Severe shortage of pilots. Scraping at the bottom of the barrel scrounging for pilots.
They’re talking about fleet expansion which has no bearing on the bulk of expats hired on the 737 fleet. The hardest working and most abused bunch of pilots in the company don’t care about fleet expansion. They just want manageable rosters. Been here close to a decade and it’s the worst I have seen since I joined here, coincidentally when the new planning manager has joined.
The money. Yes. It’s great. Meet new joiners who love the money rolling in. See them after a year and they can’t wait to get out. Money doesn’t buy you health and sleep. Two year bond on type rated pilots. Gee, I wonder why.


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