Ek: how many hours will you fly in February ?
 

Please state :
Aircraft
Seat
Ground school,
Leave ( how may days)
Days off ( how many)
Keep in mind that February is a short month so don't be fooled by being schedule for less hours than January.

Please keep the answers short.

Pointless exercise :ugh:

Aircraft : Fatbus
Seat : LHS
Days off : 11
Hours : 98

I was scheduled more hours than jan :}
Seems like they are tight on crew...
Anyone know whats the overtime threshold for 29 days?

31 days: 88 hours. Subtract by 3 hours for each less day in the month.

Desdihold 109/LT are you gathering infos for industrial action? Did you meet union leaders already?:ugh:

Hours for February
 

Aircraft: B777
Seat: LHS
Days off: 8 (+2 for Stars and stripes visa)
Hours: 93:30 (91 this month)

Overtime threshold is 86 in a 29 day month (ref: OMA)

Keep recovering.

I think the bouncy castle has decided it's cheaper to pay overtime than replace pilots...not good. That is, until the healthcare costs go up...

LHS 380
92 Hrs
8 days leave
handling sim

Productivity kicks in at 82 hrs ..

LHS 777
86 hrs (110hrs Jan)
14 days off (14 days off Jan)

It was fun the first month or two we did this, but what a waste of time this has become.

OM-A does not seem to be updated to match the lowered threshold introduced in the latest salary review.

Oh, come on! You would all be properly rested if you could get some sleep instead of spending your free time here.
Norwegian long haul is coming to town. Why don't you swap your chaffeur driven transport, housing and school allowances with a package of nothing?
Get to fly the 787 and earn less money than anywhere?

Rumours from the bouncy castle is that fleet planning didnt know how short of crew we are and would have delayed accepting new deliveries.. but I guess we can only dream of someone admitting they were wrong let alone doing anything about it :ugh::ugh:

777 RHS
90:25
9 days off

Thanks Lospolitos. You are right I had missed that the overtime limits in the OMA had not been updated since the last pay review. It begs the question considering we are all now being FORCED in to accepting overtime as to why not?!? :ugh:

FWIW:

LHS 380
96 Hrs
11 XX

777 LHS

14 hrs.15mins
RTGS, PPC.
6 days off (2 downroute)
14 days leave.

Bottom bid

SyB :zzz:

777.
LHS.
2 weeks annual leave, plus 6 XX after!!
21 hours, no gs or sim.

An astonishingly good roster, bottom bid too.

Busy time for me in Feb (just so you can compare the sandpit):

LHS 767
42:05
4 days off in Japan
14 days off at home

LHS Classic Bus:

30 Hrs
No Leave
8 days off :}

Fratemate

I think the thread was asking for EK hours. The clue was in the title. Whilst EK is definitely pushing what is beyond acceptable, 42 hours is hardly reflective of the majority of airlines nowadays.

If you want to make a point and stir the pot, why not include your take home salary too? Then we can all decide how appealing Air Nirvana really is!

Harry

I know it was for EK but, as you say, I was just stirring the pot :) I know you're the EK Kool Aid guy, so pointing out the huge hours disparity probably doesn't sit well with you. I'm sure the guys that have come to us from EK are really, really concerned that the majority of airlines don't have such low hours nowadays.

With the bonus and pension removed from my salary it normally runs at $15400/month or $17400 if I back-to-back my days off and only use one commuting flight in two months. That includes my accommodation allowance for when I'm in Nippon and just under $1000 per diem.

No schooling (but my kids have left school anyway) and no free housing when I'm at home....with the emphasis being on home.

Air Nirvana doesn't exist but I won't be submitting my EK DEC application any time soon :E

No, not a 'Kool Aid' kinda guy whatsoever, just realistic to the industry as a whole and what's available. 42 hours in a 'busy' month is not the norm in this industry and you know it. Which is probably why you and other EK pilots are there and not here. However, I agree with you that the duty hours we work each month does not sit well with me, neither does it to the other 3950 EK pilots hence the thread I guess.

You had the decency to reveal your employer and the salary. Whilst it wouldn't work for me, it may well do for others. There are some contracts worth considering, despite the 20-30% pay cut that it may entail but money is no longer the main issue. I genuinely hope more people leave for a better lifestyle to Companies such as yours but it shouldn't have to come to that. With the current plan to double in size within 9 years from now, the only way forward for this Company is to stop burying it's head in the sand and, once and for all, accept it has a problem and do something about it.

It's pointless how many likes it gets on instagram or how many followers it has or how it's the most popular 'brand' in Dubai. Emirates is an airline. Its business is flying people from A to B and it needs sufficient and more importantly, motivated crew to do that. Not only pilots, but cabin crew and engineers too. Without highly qualified and well trained front line staff, it isn't going anywhere.

The backslapping and PR rhetoric from sycophants and senior management from within this Company is at times unbelievable. If some of these people spent as half as much time smelling the coffee as they do drinking it, we wouldn't be in this mess!

Harry

hahaha! Oh harry...how did we KNOW you'd be out in a millisecond, guns a-blazin', reminding us all of How Much Money Emirates Pilots Make and How Great Life Is for Harry The Cod.

Sorry, but Fratemate easily passes the threshold of "Enough" money, and then his roster kicks yours in the balls and laughs...change is hard, but it's time to accept that EK just plain isn't anywhere near the best game in town anymore.

If it ever was. It IS in Dubai, after all.

nolimitholdem

Obviously no limit to your ignorance either. Need to re read my post again my friend, hardly support of the Company policy is it.....? :ugh:

Anyway, thought you'd left.....or was about to?

Harry

Mmm.....I think Fratemate's roster might kick everyone's rosters in the balls. Including the likes of BA, Air France and the US legacy carriers. Where do I sign up! :p

Oh, and for the record.

LHS 777
97 hrs (4 trips, 5 turns (3 of which night)
12 days off

Bottom bid, but more surprisingly, not feeling too bad as the end of the month approaches!

Careful Harry...its been said enough...EK just ain't cutting it for the post schooling crowd. I suppose if one is fascinated by malls and beaches then EK has lots to offer...other wise i'm not so sure.

LHS 380
96:20 (2 ULR + 3 Europes)
11 days off
1 AD
1 NPA:ugh:

tz

Instead of bitching or bragging about Feb hours . Braggers have avoided. What changes have guys seen in their rosters over the last 12 months?

90 Hrs (US,EUR,Asia and Australia)
+RTGS+2 Sims
8 days off

EK pilots,


Your schedules are very, very rough..I admire the fact that you can work this hard, a month after another, and still keep going..My hat goes off for you..


..As you probably already know, there are several good commuting contracts available (mostly in the Asian market)..They are hiring.. Less flying, good money, and more time at home..And not to forget, you and your family can live anywhere in the world..


These jobs are not for everybody, but most people are happy with them..Including myself..


Fly safe !!

RHS 777
8 Days Off
93:30hrs
No ULR trips and nothing I bid for (but that's another thread!):\

LHS 777
9 days off
96:30
On top of 4 layovers they had to throw in 4 turnarounds :mad:
Nowhere in the world this would be legal :ugh:
FWIW in December I did more than 110 hours :ugh::ugh::ugh:

What goes around comes around. For years us 330/340 drivers have had very tough rosters. Night flights, low flying hours and crappy destinations. We still do these flights but the accelerator has eased off quite a bit. Feb roster includes sim, a week of reserve, 8 days off, night and day turns and total of 30 hrs flying. Can't complain.

Desert Busdriver, I think the difference is the 330/340 guys have always known that the crappy rosters are temporary. Eventually you were always going to fly less as the fleet was run down and then move across to the 380.

Anybody on the 777 now is looking at what their rosters are going to be like for the foreseeable future- and by that I mean decades, not years. In fact they will probably get worse as the 380 takes more layovers from the Boeing.

What goes around, comes around??? Man I don't understand us some times, why is the misery of others good for you? What a bitter bunch we are!

LHS 738
February
18 hrs (4 sectors)
16 days off, no leave
1 sim, therefore, 1 night away from home

January
8.5 hrs (2 sectors)
17 days off, no leave
Every night at home

Harry, you want to compare salaries but I'd rather compare fatigue and lifestyle;)

Fratemate

Apparently one of your colleagues has applied to EK as a DEC. :eek:

just out of curiosity ,

How much do you get paid (in AED) per hour as productivity pay?

Dear Chesty...
Kindly note the Thread name starts with EK..
Not very interested on how cool are you top 50 guys in FD:ugh::ugh:

MS

Yes, I can see that. It's worth the comparison though don't you think.

Where's FD out of interest?