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donpizmeov 20th Dec 2015 13:55

So are we going with HIC or DIC?

Jumeirah James 20th Dec 2015 15:40

Does this mean Numb nuts is going to be promoted from VP to SVP FS?

ekwhistleblower 21st Dec 2015 07:03

Well that one is a bit left field. I guess the upper echelons really do struggle to be challenged.

glofish 21st Dec 2015 07:45

You can apply as many genuine medications or generica as you want, as long as the abject root cancer is there, we will see ugly metastasis popping up

sluggums 21st Dec 2015 11:34

TCHD. Saw him once in a meeting, only once mind, but I took an almost instant dislike to him. Very pleased with himself and riddled with typical management speak and attitude.

A disappointing choice IMHO, another yes man who is quite happy to do AAR bidding. The race to the bottom continues unabated...

alwayzinit 21st Dec 2015 15:17

All hyperbole aside, I think I will give "Our 'enry" the benefit of the doubt, until proved otherwise.

InnocentBystander 21st Dec 2015 17:53


All hyperbole aside, I think I will give "Our 'enry" the benefit of the doubt, until proved otherwise.
His record as SVP FS doesn't speak for itself? He was the one that pushed the GIG-EZE shuttle through, as well as the 3-man BOS and JFK. Not to mention the smoke and mirrors that is FRMS, and the latest rostering practices. HF was begging us to write more ASR's to change some of that as Safety wasn't really interested in Safety after all.

He's quite the company man alright.

alwayzinit 22nd Dec 2015 08:26

IB,
I am not sure that it is the Flight Safety Depts role to "Ok" anything per se, their role is to advise, as far as I am aware.
The actual policy is decided higher up the tree.
In addition, in the Darwinian world of EGHQ, as elsewhere, it is sensible to only fight the battles that you can win. Correct me if I am wrong but the flights you quoted are no longer operated as you quoted due to FS getting the ammo from our ASRs.
At the time of their launch the duties were "legal" under FTLs.
Now we can all bitch about how it was obvious that the trips you mentioned wouldn't work but we all also know that until proven otherwise to AAR the schedules were going to go ahead, come what may. So rather than show "Our 'enry" as a naive idealist, it shows he is a grown up, aware of the realities of life in EK.
I am still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in his new role, until proven otherwise.

Dropp the Pilot 22nd Dec 2015 08:52

what he said

Ophion 22nd Dec 2015 08:52


Originally Posted by alwayzinit (Post 9217669)
IB,
I am not sure that it is the Flight Safety Depts role to "Ok" anything per se, their role is to advise, as far as I am aware.
The actual policy is decided higher up the tree.
In addition, in the Darwinian world of EGHQ, as elsewhere, it is sensible to only fight the battles that you can win. Correct me if I am wrong but the flights you quoted are no longer operated as you quoted due to FS getting the ammo from our ASRs.
At the time of their launch the duties were "legal" under FTLs.
Now we can all bitch about how it was obvious that the trips you mentioned wouldn't work but we all also know that until proven otherwise to AAR the schedules were going to go ahead, come what may. So rather than show "Our 'enry" as a naive idealist, it shows he is a grown up, aware of the realities of life in EK.
I am still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt in his new role, until proven otherwise.

I fully agree. There's things the Safety Dept aren't happy about, but in the usual world of EK politics, those further up the food chain don't always see it he same way.

InnocentBystander 22nd Dec 2015 22:35


Correct me if I am wrong but the flights you quoted are no longer operated as you quoted due to FS getting the ammo from our ASRs.
These were changed after intervention by Human Factors, namely HD and RH (One of which is no longer employed by EK) with the support of ASR's, CSR's and fatigue reports against the explicit intention of SVP-FS.

You believe what you want and give whoever a second look. I'll happily revisit this thread in a year from now and see what your verdict is. I'm pretty sure it won't differ much from mine today.

alwayzinit 23rd Dec 2015 18:58

IB, I think you maybe misunderstand, giving someone the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise is simply, me, a grown up, being capable of making my own mind up, without the need to be told this or that by whomever.

I know Henry and I know John and think they need a chance to see what, if anything, they can do.

You may be right and if so I will bow to your insight and knowledge. Until then .............................................. nuff said.

VAMY 25th Dec 2015 04:53

Monarch Man,

You are spot on re the lineage of TCAS. His nick name is from his BA days and also true about his association re CX & the 49's. I'm ex BA(27 years there) and my best mate is one of the 49's.

Which unfortunate group of pilots is going to inherit him now he has left EK?

olster 25th Dec 2015 05:58

I was not aware of TCAS involvement in the CX 49er issue / debacle. How so?

grottyyottie 26th Dec 2015 20:51

MM is a good candidate. Discuss
GY

helen-damnation 27th Dec 2015 05:49


MM is a good candidate. Discuss
MM turned it down (allegedly). Nothing to discuss.


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