Emirates DEC
 

and so it begins, EK sending out emails to pilots who did not get in last time as DEC, "please update your details and hours, due to market forces we are now recruiting B777 DEC" what a joke, and all the F/O who have served their time over the last 4 years and who have prev Command can suck it up and do some more babysitting with the newbies, a shame.

Does it really say, 'due to market forces'?

Just out of interest - is this non-rated DEC or are they recalling previously failed rated DECs? Or just guys who didn't quite have the experience levels desired last time?

I fail to see how this is going to do anything but exacerbate the present shortage of F/Os, as it will force many who were thinking about leaving to pull the trigger.

Apart from that, we'll now have DECs with limited experience of both the operation and the aircraft passing on their wisdom to low-experience F/Os. What could possibly go wrong?

Sop's. The exact wording is "the companies requirements are changing in response to market forces".

Good cat, Non rated.

Good luck to all potential candidates.

This will indeed be the final nail in the coffin for many EK FO's.

I pity the poor FO's waiting to go R to L. A kick in the gonads for sure :hmm:

Is there anyone with a 777 rating who would want to come as DEC?

If it's non rated will there be many? And how many of those will pass the assessment?

777 guys trying to get out of China and any wide body Boeing pilots forced retire at 55.

So basically no one then.

The sad thing is that there are far better options out there for 777 drivers who may be stuck in the depths of Guangzhou or elsewhere in China and want out.

This has the potential to get very ugly if they can't get the numbers of DECs that they feel they need, which we all suspect they won't.

They will take non rated. Did it before, will do it again. This is nothing new.

dec
 

well good luck to them, I'm sure there are plenty to be around the Amazon regions !!

I doubt that they will get the numbers which they need. But for sure they'll get a number of F/O's which are totally p****d about the situation and take the next possible exit.

Only the A330 DEC offer on the jobs page:confused:

They've done a "first pitch" via Email to pilots which did not made it last time. I'm sure there will be an offer on the job page in near future.....

FO's should resign en masse to see what management does.

Emirates DEC
 

@ Beachbum: yeah and that's gonna work? Not in our lifetime..

What they should do is refuse to fly with guys that don't have a clue instead of holding their hand: file an ASR every time they need baby sittin.. I feel sorry for our FO's that will be caught out, specially those júst being left in the 'cold' because of that.. I was on that side not too many years ago..

Can the average line Captain fly RHS? :\

What does it say, when they are contacting people who were found not suitable last time, to say please try again.

Mix that in with a whole lot of inexperienced Fos.

The third floor will love it. They will be able to hand out final warning letters at a record rate.

SOPS, still bitter n twisted and becoming more so as the days go by. Forced retirement suits you. Yes yes you'll deny it was forced but others are saying different. Explains a lot really.

About six months from now I will be outbound from DXB for the last time, never to return. I have promised myself that once the wheels are up on that flight I will never on any occasion think of EK again.

My wife and and I are practicing the drill now. If I ever do mention EK again in any context of complaint or umbrage she is to slap me on the back of my wizened head and say "Remember what happened to SOPS!"

Nothing forced at all VFE, you make me laugh.:p

Only thing forced Vfe Next is you being forced to stay at Emirates. Where are you going to go?
SOPs is living the life we all envision and he did it on his terms. Stop the B.S lies about how he was forced out. Not so.
Do you think what the company is doing to us is okay? Now the DECs!
Think of the logic where a failed interviewee wasn't good in the past but is now. What changed? We all know Emirates will not attract any widebody captains or anyone that has heard about what is going on here.

Anyway guys no worries...a lot of DEC in progress for sure...
Direct Exit Captains :p

DEC on the 777 has now begun, all be it by stealth, with guys who were deemed unsuitable 4 years ago receiving letters from EK asking them to come on down!

I see from the ad that 330 DEC basic is Dhs42 015. I've been a skipper for >7 years and my basic is Dhs42 120 ...

The ad is misleading nakbin - deliberately so I am sure.

The 42015 Dirhams that is quoted includes 85 hours of flying allowances. But it would be very easy to interpret it the way that you, and no doubt many candidates, have.

Thanks Bananas.

And so it begins...

What another large pile for the bucket.

C'mon, your career path is "not going to be adversely affected"! :*

I told you so

Disappointing? Yes. Inevitable? Yes. However(!) having just witnessed what happened to a couple of mates of mine who we're originally told of lengthy delays after interviewing I'm almost inclined to believe him. Almost.

At least he had the balls to tell us about it. So I'm curious, where will they find these DEC's?
I know FO's that will resign because of this.

FOs resign because of this? I doubt that. They all joined knowing it happens, and DECs have been advertised on the 330 for ages.

It should be no surprise that the company cares not about employee progression.

with regards to satisfying manning issues, why do they not focus on how to stop current experienced valuable pilots from leaving, rather than only concentrating on recruiting?

concentrate on retaining!!!

what they have been recruiting in the past few months has simply replaced those who have left.


the total batch of pilots (my batch mates) i had when i joined has almost halved.....

Don,

Wh1sper is right. FO:s ARE resigning over this, wether you doubt it or not. Granted, probably not in large numbers though as few can afford to hand in the notice without a new paycheck in sight...

Career decisions are hopefully based on available information and current state of affairs, and you will have to agree that the situation was slightly different 3-4 years ago, albeit already on a slide. This is just a guess, but perhaps some candidates made the assumption that the company would not conduct two rounds of DEC recruitment so close together.. Now proven wrong obviously, but your 'told you so:s' might not tell the whole story for all colleagues.

With the 2012 round of DEC:s, a large number of FO:s will now have been bypassed twice. That is quite a tough pill to swallow, in particular since the number of upgrade qualifying FO:s is considerably higher than last time round. And with 90+ hours a month the new standard, added to our fantastic new bidding system, one has to ask how much love there was for the company prior this email from JA.

The only change that has happened is that the jets are no longer as shiny, or it happening to them and not someone else.

I take my hat off to JA for telling it like it is.

Right now I could care less where these guys come from (sorry to all my FO mates), but I'm tired of 90++ hour rosters and we all need a break. As for FOs resigning, I doubt it will be in big numbers. EK put everyone in this mess and now its their gamble as to whether it pays off or not, DECs are no surprise as its been happening as long as I've been here. Fortunately for EK, there are some 'heavy' Captains that are in the market who speak fluent Russian and Malay with 777 and 330 experience.