Why would a Malaysian pilot come to the pit, to live in a rabbits cage and not being able to go home unless on leave? :ugh:

He can get a commuting contract in Asia instead and sleep at home half of the month. :ok:

AB has been in Turkish for 2.5 yrs but left EK about 10 yrs ago. Great guy, very popular and people would have noticed if he was still on the list.

tz

On Facebook news this morning EK went to SAS and asked to receive a number of SAS pilots that are about to be re-trenched. That way SAS doesn't have to lay off any pilots and EK solves its very short term attraction problems. It didn't say how many pilots would be involved in the transaction but I can't see more than 50 SAS pilots wanting to come to EK even if they don't have a job. The unemployment package in Scandinavia is fantastic and we all know what Emirates is about.

TZ

As of this morning, when I checked the Seniority list AB the nice Irish gent, was still on the seniority list. he nearly joined as a DEC a couple of years back, but saw the light in time.

SyB :zzz::zzz:

"The unemployment package in Scandinavia is fantastic"

Sure... a captain at the top salary level in Sweden will get SEK 476 (209 dirhams) per day after tax in unemployment benefits.

But, that is irrelevant since these discussions between SAS and EK is not due to lay offs in SAS. It's about changing the demography. They are trying to get the older guys to leave in order to hire new and cheaper pilots on a "B-scale".

I doubt there will be many takers since the hard work, awful rostering, arrogant management and non guaranteed leave in EK is well known among the pilots in SAS. Most pilots in SAS are already today using all legal means they can find to work part time...

SYB please check your PMs,

tz

Seniority list is now well above 4000 with 55 new joiners in March alone.
It seems EK is getting the numbers they need.
C.

Carbo,
What's the big deal of reaching 4000 crew? Should of been there long time ago.
Remove managers,trainers and inactives crew from the list, with 250 airplanes, bet you barely have 7 crews per plane.

NOTHING.... like digging up a year old thread, boys.

Nothing to look at here......"Move along"

On the contrary, FL, these days it's always good to bring up the shortcomings of this shameless bunch of BSers, even if it's old news. But as EGT said in a recent RTGS BS session, please stop telling everyone the beatings will continue until morale improves!

EGT needs to stop hiding in the office and show his worth on the line...that might be interesting

EGT is busy writing warning letters

The important number is not 4000 but 55. The monthly average of new recruits is at 44 for the first 3 months of 2016...compared to 18 a year ago.
Let's face it, there is no shortage of new joiners and I doubt the attrition rate alone will bring up T&C's.

Carbo:

nice aspect, do you think they can run this airline by loosing experienced crew and replacing them with low timers?

Of course they can. They could care less of long serving experienced pilots. How long you been here?

They already have.

Of course they can. They already have. But it's exactly the reason why they've hit the bottom.

Don't convince yourself every new joiner is a greenhorn!
I know an experienced guy from a smaller type with long range experience joining on the 777. Why, because his current gig is crap so he might as well take a new rating and experience then see where he is in 3-5 years. The market will have changed again by then.

Me, I would but the money is crap and the hours too high. I guess I'm lazy then )

It's different with pilots. They come already trained and experienced. Cabin crew and ground staff are trained from the beginning. They learn, they see what is going on, they go in couple of months. You don't run customer service and transport business like that. You need motivated and experienced crew who see their position in the company like a career, not like a short-term job.

I am receiving a lot of e-mails complaining on service on board or lost luggage. I never publish them, but things went bad long time ago. EK let itself turn from premium service to ****. And it's not crew's fault. It's only natural for employees to give as much as they receive. Lousy conditions? Ok, minimum effort. Minimum effort in aviation business? Ok, shift to another airline.

7 days paper page 6 today 25 Apr 2016: EMIRATES CHALLENGE TO KEEP HOLD OF TOP TALENT.

The article goes on to say that 20 to 30 pilots are recruited "a week"! On that level or rate, my poor math makes that 80 a month X 12 or 960 a year, not right I would say. The 120 cabin crew a week recruited might be a more realistic number.

Recently I was in the sim building and the sim recruiter was chatting to a couple of wannabes who were about to fly the sim test. They were chatting and discussing why the other 2 candidates didn't show up to continue the selection process as they already packed their bags and took a flight out the night before.


J

Not sure about that. At the present rate there would be just over 500 this year. The attrition rate last year was horrific and looking at the seniority list It shows it. We had around 3800 on the list a year or so ago and now someone that joined then is 250-300 places higher so last year's gain was minimal. 2 steps forward, 1 step back. A net gain of 200 adds up to 12 aircraft or so, not enough.

The key to everything is not just attracting newbies but retention of experienced crew. There are lots of measures that could be used, I look forward to seeing if any will be implemented.