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On the lighter side, here's one from The Onion on Dubai's working conditions. For those that aren't familiar with The Onion, it is a satirical news site.

Dubai Unveils Plans For World?s Largest Human Rights Violation | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Pucka, don't even think of swapping CX for EK. I understand that you fine guys get threated there badly as well but at least you got more money for the pain and some rules. Here the money is not enough for all the bad things happening as of lately. And rules??? Don't even get me started :ugh:

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You successfully dragged me into it BG:

The real reason why Emirates Airline plans to employ 11.000 new staff | Truth about Emirates Airline Management

Truth about Emirates Airline Management is now blocked when you try to access it from the UAE. Looks like Dragana really got under managements skin if they go to the length of influencing the UAE authorities to block the blog of one(!) ex-employee.

By the way, the possible violations that can lead to the blocking of a Web site in the UAE according to the respective Annex are:

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1. Internet Content for Bypassing Blocked Content:

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Since none of these apply to Dragana's blog they need to add a 14th one: "Stuff we don't like". ;)

Are you on etisalat? It's definitely blocked on du.

Yep with the slut. That's the government one right?

Can someone please check this DU-Etisalat information? I need the right info on where and how it's blocked. Thank you. :)

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Can someone please check this DU-Etisalat information? I need the right info on where and how it's blocked. Thank you.

It's definitely blocked on Du:

http://oi61.tinypic.com/1zydgtx.jpg

Thanks. :)

Edit: so this is not a governmental decision.

https://vtunnel.com you will get a webpage with an address bar and then type in the URL...that should take care of it.

Now before anyone gets excited this doesn't really work for videos

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8. Internet Content that are offensive to religions

This category includes Internet Content that contains material which expresses hate to religions.

but only if the religion being ridiculed is Islam. :E

Guys/Gals,

Whatever the recruitment people may spin to you at the roadshows there are some simple truths that you should know (I am open to correction by anyone that disagrees):

1. You will never get 42 days holiday in a year. The days you don't get assigned will just keep building up until you're fed up and resign. In the months that you do get leave EK will roster you the max hours possible in the remaining days of that month i.e. you still work as many hours in that month as in any other month.

2. The bidding system no longer functions - therefore do not expect to have more than 3 days off per month in a row. We are also heading for a max of 8 days off per month. This is not enough due to the rostering pratices at EK. You will fly lates to earlies...earlies to lates with minimum rest in between. The result is that you feel like a zombie and can not spend quality time with your family. You will be fatigued and irritable most of the time. This is all legal because the GCAA allow it. GCAA is Emirates & Emirates is the GCAA = you get screwed.

3. Education allowance will not cover the cost of your Kids education and depending on how many kids you have, and which schools you find a place in, you will be out of pocket. This can be a large part of your disposable income.

4. The inflation in Dubai greatly exceeds any miserly step pay increase you may receive - therefore year after year your actually real income is decreasing.

5. Profit share: May or may not happen. Looks like it's a thing of the past. If you get any then it will not be much...especially not the 12/14 weeks promoted at the roadshows.

I could go on and on. But the single biggest issue is that your health will suffer. Whatever else has been said, this is the greatest issue. You will feel fatigued all of the time and your health will suffer...along with it your lifestyle and quality of home life.

By the way, I hope you do decide to come as we need all the people we can get....maybe then we can get some leave.

From the sinking ship.........

The post above is as accurate as it is damning of the current situation in EK. Especially the part at the end about our long term health and how little regard they have for it. This is the single most important issue here (amongst many others) and one that only seems to be getting worse.

I would however disagree on hoping people ignore all this and join anyway. It would seem to me that the only time things will improve overall is when they have to park aeroplanes due lack of crew. Until then their sheer arrogance will not allow them to acknowledge that there is any problem in the first place.

I guess I can open hundreds of new blogs for DU users:

This blog has been blocked in UAE | Truth about Emirates Airline Management

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For all DU users this is the alternative website address where they can read news:

Josephineq.org

I have recently been offered employment with EK as cabin crew. I have been reading reviews for the past few hours from a variety of websites and there seems to be a few common themes.

1. Cabin Crew are worked like dogs
2. The managers bully their team and favor some over others
3. Labour law issues (no union)
4. Work/life balance

Can anyone give me some more insight?

I have lived in other countries, have a university degree and am 28. I keep going back and forth on whether or not I want to accept this position. Can anyone help me out? This is a huge life decision for me and I don't want to make the wrong move.

Thanks

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We are also heading for a max of 8 days off per month.

Will this be the final straw for many? I personally will be voting with my feet if this 'stunt' is pulled off.

This will take care of any pay rises.

https://en-maktoob.news.yahoo.com/gu...-business.html

5. Profit share: May or may not happen. Looks like it's a thing of the past. If you get any then it will not be much...especially not the 12/14 weeks promoted at the roadshows............................continued

6. The Meydan labour camp.

7. New flight time limitations and bidding system (it won't be for our benefit).

8. Increased sub load ticket prices disguised as an extended eligibility scheme.

9. Megalomaniacal managers.

feel free to add to the list

Ask your TRE...

Some of them got introduced to the new Lido Roster which is already parallel running to the current overloaded one.

In a washup there where Rosters put up on the wall... BRACE FOR IMPACT.

Min off days is Max... 8 days in a month.
Max 3 days in a row and not a day more ( and you cannot swap for more)

4 US flights (only stick time counts, makes it 2 one is doing for free)
3 European Flights plus 2 avail days. ( will transform in local turn arounds and could be double sectors).

This new SCREWING system makes EK not to worry about resignations.
They can loose 500+ people and still fly the rest into the grave.

Who ever thinks of coming here.... EK doesn't care about you or your family.

If you get sick too often you get a threat email bu your chief pilot telling you that you should ask yourself if this job is the right job for you....

@shania

You summed it up already.

Simple answer...

Read and decide...

You have been warned!!!

I have heard the same story about the new rostering system, flap.

TRE's are not using the new system.

Sausage...not thinking of bouncing over..rather fly a Twotter in Oceania than continue flying the big jets for a bunch of heathens... That said.. Looks like you guys are going through a pre 49 ears round up...if the resignations are that bad and management don't give a stuff, maybe it's time to usurp the road show programme?....are there pilots involved in this scam or just trainee lizards and PR cretins??

Fattie are you sure?

Fatbus,

I said that they got introduced to the system... Not that they are beeing already rostered with it...

How many days off for the 777 long haul and A380 crews? Due to longer flights won't they get more days off than the minimum of 8?

That said, thanks for the info I used to really want to work for EK, after reading these threads I'm having second thoughts...

Indeed HVYMETAL, but nothing wrong with a bit of hysteria from time to time!!!

Have not seen the new system, bid for Apr closed on the 12 th feb for all trainers. Talk is apr bidding for jun .

Can you give a sample "normal" 777 or A380 or other long haul schedule? You don't have to post yours, just an example of what a trip might look like? That's all I'd be interested in if I can get more than 11 days off per month. I'm currently flying domestic narrow body here in th USA (I was at a U.S. regional before that) so I'm not really interested in 5 legs a day on an A320.

Again, thanks for the info.

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How many days off for the 777 long haul and A380 crews? Due to longer flights won't they get more days off than the minimum of 8?

Assume you haven't done much (if any?) reading. Impossible to answer your questions as everything is in the process of changing once again.

New Duty Limitiations as defined by the licensing authority:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/55...any-worse.html

New rostering system soon to be put into place by Emirates:

http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/55...-sytem-ek.html

You would be best served by watching this space for 6 months. You will get your answers by then ....... I put money on an absolute disaster based upon the current management arrogance and ineptitude.

I've read a lot thanks and everything is vague, I'm assuming they're worried about management scouring these forums which is ok I understand.

Someone on another forum mentioned that pairings and schedules at EK are bid on by seniority (so a senior pilots gets pick of the litter over a junior FO). According to the other thread this is not so at QR?

Either way I'll keep reading this thread for new info.

Any chance there might be any pilots from the 'unmentionable' here who may care to pm me with some info on their conditions there?

It's very hard to find up to date info on how their conditions, rosters and culture are. Any info would be greatly appreciated guys!

Cheers in advance.

Clear the cookies from your browser (and type the address manually if still not working). :)

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Emirates cabin crew fired for complaining to GCAA, ACAA and IATA?

https://donotflyemirates.wordpress.c...acaa-and-iata/

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Clear the cookies from your browser (and type the address manually if still not working).

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Emirates cabin crew fired for complaining to GCAA, ACAA and IATA?

https://donotflyemirates.wordpress.c...acaa-and-iata/

Using the https wordpress link works:

https://donotflyemirates.wordpress.com

Good read down route

Shania,

Let's see, you posted that according to your findings:

1. Cabin Crew are worked like dogs
2. The managers bully their team and favor some over others
3. Labour law issues (no union)
4. Work/lifestyle balance

Why would anybody accept a position with those working conditions? How much more insight do you need?

Much discontent within Flight Deck and Cabin Crew.
How is it with hangar staff, LAE and other technical staff? Qa, Tech Services, Planning etc?

The line engineers are working flat out and in a block of four days off, it is now routine for them to get called on one of those four days. Despite it being a day off, they can only refuse coming into work if they have a sick note from the Doc.

If you cant deal with the work,pressure and all...send your CV and work for another airline.
Seriously,over eating,over sleeping,not
working out is an early sign of depression i agree,but wouldnt it be the right time to leave??
There are many airlines in the world.....give them the finger,move and get on with your life.

de facto, it has been said before but it is not always that easy to "just leave".

If you have any debt in Dubai (and most of the Cabin Crew have a fair bit of debt- they have loans and credit cards almost thrust upon them from the day they collect their first paycheck. The banks have desks set up in the training college on payday.) you can't leave. It has to be paid off first. If you skip town without paying it (and crew do sometimes simply not show up after a layover) you will be thrown in jail if you ever set foot in Dubai again.

For the pilots/engineers, if you have moved your family halfway around the world to come to Dubai to "just leave" would involve taking the children out of school, possibly your wife out of her job, and moving your entire life halfway around the world- again. This in itself is highly stressful, especially if you don't have a job to go to.

Emirates working conditions.....

BigGeorie, that's what they have been counting on for years and it has worked. That stopped working last year and is now the reason for the new 5 year bond over the previous 3 year bond. They believe they can just keep people from leaving with the threat of legal/criminal action in Dubai if you ever come back. Lol. That's easy. Don't come back. Lol

Flight Deck and Cabin Crew are both leaving at alarming rates and even without finishing their contracts.

I'll be doing the same if DECs go to the B777 without taking those qualified first. My family will be waiting for me to give my two weeks notice from the safety of their own beds in the homeland.

The train has derailed here and the front of it hasn't even seen the dust yet. It's amazing how the blinders were on for so long. It's now time to sit back and laugh.